From: Miles Bader <miles.bader@necel.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: moving window handling into lisp
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:32:33 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <buomy6qfrvi.fsf@dhlpc061.dev.necel.com> (raw)
I'm kind of confused by what exactly is going to happen with windows
(multiple competing vaguely-not-satisfying-and-confusing-at-least-
to-my-simple-brain proposals...), but my impression is that it's
desirable to have as much in lisp as possible.
[I apologize if some of what I say below duplicates what's been said
before; I often start zoning out when reading these long threads, and
miss stuff!]
The general approach I've always kind of assumed would be followed by
any extension of window handling in emacs has a very simple basis (at
least it _sounds_ simple :):
** Expose the (existing) window tree to lisp
Basically keep the same window objects we have today, but allow lisp
to get a handle on non-leaf window objects (today, AFAICT, lisp can
only ever see leaf windows).
Together with some low-level accessor/modifier functions, e.g. maybe:
frame-root-window FRAME => ROOT-WIN
window-children WINDOW => (LEFT-CHILD-WIN . RIGHT-CHILD-WIN)
window-parent WINDOW => PARENT-WIN
set-window-children WINDOW LEFT-CHILD-WIN RIGHT-CHILD-WIN
(etc)
A brief look suggests that much of the traditional window handling
code (`window-list', `other-window', `split-window', `delete-window',
`delete-other-windows', etc) could then be moved into lisp; none of
that code looks very complicated or dangerous.
With traditional user-level window handling functions in lisp,
exploring various higher level window frameworks/abstractions seems to
be easier.
Of course the basic assumption is that what we really want is to make
existing lisp windows a bit more malleable, rather than an entirely
new infrastructure.
** Extending window handling
As a separate layer on top of the above, my vague thinking is that the
various fancy behaviors desired for things like ECB could be
implemented as essentially hooks and window-properties etc that affect
the typical user-level window functions (which are now lisp).
For instance (these are simply rough ideas!):
* A window-property which says "treat this window as the window root for
purposes of C-x 1, C-x o, etc". Note that the new low-level primitive
functions (which I listed above) _wouldn't_ be affected, and any lisp
code that wants to see the raw tree, can do so.
* A window property that says (somehow, not sure of the exact form)
"When looking for a window leaf (C-x 0, C-x o, etc), use <parent
window X> instead".
* A buffer-local hook which gets run after setting a window's buffer to
that buffer. (I guess window-configuration-change-hook covers this to
some degree, but it can be annoying to use)
[The first two properties probably would need some means of specifying
different behaviors for different operations -- what you want to
consider a "leaf" might be different depending on whether the user is
moving amongst windows or deleting them.]
Anyway, those are my vague ideas. I hope I'm not simply adding to the
confusion...
-miles
--
Advice, n. The smallest current coin.
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2009-07-27 8:32 Miles Bader [this message]
2009-07-27 13:37 ` moving window handling into lisp martin rudalics
2009-07-27 13:41 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-27 13:45 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 13:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-27 14:35 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 14:41 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-27 15:02 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 15:28 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-27 16:52 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 16:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-27 18:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-28 7:38 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-28 9:39 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-28 12:25 ` martin rudalics
[not found] ` <e01d8a50907280532kcff2d1w15567a430668a502@mail.gmail.com>
2009-07-28 13:23 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-28 13:44 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-29 9:04 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-28 13:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-28 14:11 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-29 9:05 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-29 14:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-01 2:20 ` Miles Bader
2009-08-03 21:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-11 9:18 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-11 19:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-11 19:29 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-12 8:57 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-12 9:02 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-12 13:33 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-12 15:57 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-12 17:05 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-12 19:39 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-12 21:10 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-13 9:55 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-13 9:57 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-13 10:25 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-13 11:32 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-13 12:49 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-13 13:56 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-13 16:43 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-13 18:07 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-14 1:13 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-14 7:18 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-14 11:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-14 13:21 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-12 8:56 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-13 2:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-13 9:54 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-13 17:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-13 18:09 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-14 1:47 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-14 7:17 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-14 6:42 ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-14 7:18 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-14 20:56 ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-15 10:12 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 19:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-14 15:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-14 15:42 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-14 18:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-15 10:12 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 11:02 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-15 12:44 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 13:35 ` David Kastrup
2009-08-15 13:39 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-15 16:11 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 16:19 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-15 17:37 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 18:18 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-16 10:25 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 11:14 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-16 12:12 ` David Kastrup
2009-08-16 12:19 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-16 15:17 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 16:15 ` David Kastrup
2009-08-16 19:24 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 12:17 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 12:26 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-16 15:18 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 19:05 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-16 10:26 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 11:16 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-16 12:17 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 12:29 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-16 15:18 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 14:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-16 15:31 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 16:28 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-16 19:25 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 15:07 ` Jan Djärv
2009-08-15 15:38 ` David Kastrup
2009-08-15 16:07 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 18:21 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-16 10:25 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 19:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-16 10:26 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 11:18 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-16 12:17 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 12:30 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-27 14:00 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-27 14:36 ` martin rudalics
[not found] ` <4A87F8B8.6050102@gmx.at>
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[not found] ` <4A8D66D5.3000600@gmx.at>
2009-08-20 15:41 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-20 18:15 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-20 23:08 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-21 12:40 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-21 13:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-22 11:00 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-22 13:45 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-22 14:17 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-21 19:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-22 11:01 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-21 0:19 ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-21 12:40 ` martin rudalics
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-08-17 19:06 grischka
2009-08-18 7:13 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-18 11:38 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-19 9:15 ` grischka
2009-08-19 12:45 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-20 11:45 ` grischka
2009-08-20 12:51 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-20 13:05 ` David Kastrup
2009-08-20 15:08 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-20 19:35 ` grischka
2009-08-21 12:22 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-21 19:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-22 4:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-23 1:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-24 13:10 ` grischka
2009-08-19 13:01 ` Lennart Borgman
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