From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A more modest proposal Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:25:54 +0900 Message-ID: References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> <87sk3oe3la.fsf@telefonica.net> <1154D96E7D2F401D849266F359E44BB9@us.oracle.com> <87ocecdzou.fsf@telefonica.net> <2256C17F740A425884AD551DE7758056@us.oracle.com> <87fwzodqqm.fsf@telefonica.net> <5138CDF30B2D4B778F948015614DA7BC@us.oracle.com> <87iq4ijtdy.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87bpa7uu1e.fsf@kanis.fr> <877hkv2hco.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iq4e593w.fsf@kanis.fr> <87lj9ayp2f.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4C493433.4010709@censorshipresearch.org> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279873614 2789 80.91.229.12 (23 Jul 2010 08:26:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, Daniel Colascione , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: ams@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 23 10:26:50 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcDab-0007YF-95 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:26:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57107 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OcDaU-0004to-Ry for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 04:26:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=60975 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OcDaK-0004ti-JD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 04:26:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcDaJ-0004s6-E9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 04:26:24 -0400 Original-Received: from tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.193]:33181) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcDa1-0004pA-M7; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 04:26:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailgate3.nec.co.jp ([10.7.69.195]) by tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id o6N8PuQj025487; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:25:56 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: (from root@localhost) by mailgate3.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILGATE-NEC) id o6N8Pu829932; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:25:56 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay21.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.50]) by vgate01.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILSV-NEC) with ESMTP id o6N8Pt401510; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:25:55 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay21.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.40] [10.29.19.40]) by relay21.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:25:55 +0900 Original-Received: from dhlpc061 ([10.114.112.180] [10.114.112.180]) by relay21.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:25:55 +0900 Original-Received: by dhlpc061 (Postfix, from userid 31295) id F2B9252E221; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:25:54 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: (Alfred M. Szmidt's message of "Fri, 23 Jul 2010 03:28:38 -0400") Original-Lines: 16 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 8 (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127682 Archived-At: "Alfred M. Szmidt" writes: > Having the same keybinding behave completely differently depending if > you use a windowing system or the console is a bad idea. What about > having C-z C-z do suspend-frame, and C-z z ... do undo? Not that I > see a need for yet another undo keybinding. There's already a better binding for suspend-frame: "C-x C-z" So I'd say, just change the meaning of C-z universally to undo, and let people use C-x C-z for suspend. -Miles -- Guilt, n. The condition of one who is known to have committed an indiscretion, as distinguished from the state of him who has covered his tracks.