From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Package Management Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:30:03 +0900 Message-ID: References: <485b0c380808011427n4d3144eey3f8daf3abac83bf4@mail.gmail.com> <87d45vzt4j.fsf@hagelb.org> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1253003513 9735 80.91.229.12 (15 Sep 2009 08:31:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:31:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: tromey@redhat.com, phil@hagelb.org, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 15 10:31:45 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MnTRl-0004QL-IF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:31:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36668 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MnTRk-0002Ml-6L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 04:31:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MnTQW-0001is-7S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 04:30:16 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MnTQR-0001hV-I4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 04:30:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49235 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MnTQR-0001hR-8S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 04:30:11 -0400 Original-Received: from tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.193]:36410) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MnTQN-0005dE-Hs; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 04:30:08 -0400 Original-Received: from relay21.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.50]) by tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n8F8U3gb000696; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:30:03 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay21.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.20] [10.29.19.20]) by relay21.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:30:03 +0900 Original-Received: from dhlpc061 ([10.114.113.123] [10.114.113.123]) by relay21.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:30:03 +0900 Original-Received: by dhlpc061 (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 829B652E1E7; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:30:03 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 15 Sep 2009 03:16:50 -0400") Original-Lines: 42 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 8 (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:115344 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > That's more or less what we've been doing. Originally I strove very > hard to keep Emacs itself small. Many basic and obviously useful > functions were not standardly available, but they were in CL. Since > then we have made a number of them standard, and we could certainly > do this for more of them in the future when it seems best. > > But some of the CL facilities are overly complex. And some, > specifically setf and friends, are not implemented quite right in the > Emacs context, which makes them ugly to include. Some suggestions for core: * remove-if / delete-if / remove-if-not / delete-if-not (_without_ the CL keyword arguments) [These are very handy for filtering lists of values. The keyword arguments are not very important, and keywordless core versions would be compatible with keyword-supporting cl.el versions in the same way that core `dolist' is compatible with cl.el `dolist'] * mapcan [Useful for mapping when there isn't a 1-1 relationship between argument list elements and result list elements] * multiple-argument mapping (mapcar, mapc, etc) functions [Useful and obvious generalization of existing mapping functions; Gnus already contains its own implementation of a multiple-argument mapcar] [I think all of these are simple and practical.] -Miles -- Sabbath, n. A weekly festival having its origin in the fact that God made the world in six days and was arrested on the seventh.