From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gud lord! Date: 09 Jun 2003 17:11:37 +0900 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <16098.1698.415992.223606@nick.uklinux.net> <200306071612.h57GCJQi010536@rum.cs.yale.edu> <20030609091728.2C7D.JMBARRANQUERO@laley.wke.es> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1055146640 14829 80.91.224.249 (9 Jun 2003 08:17:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:17:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 09 10:17:18 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19PHqA-0003r3-00 for ; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 10:17:18 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19PIA5-0000n1-00 for ; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 10:37:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19PHrH-00021h-HK for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 04:18:27 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19PHqy-00020n-A8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 04:18:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19PHqx-00020U-4Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 04:18:07 -0400 Original-Received: from tyo202.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.202]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19PHkq-0008RF-27; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 04:11:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mailgate3.nec.co.jp ([10.7.69.194])h598Bg013911; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:11:42 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mailsv4.nec.co.jp (mailgate51.nec.co.jp [10.7.69.190]) by mailgate3.nec.co.jp (8.11.6/3.7W-MAILGATE-NEC) with ESMTP id h598Bfw27511; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:11:41 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from edsgm01.lsi.nec.co.jp ([10.50.208.11]) by mailsv4.nec.co.jp (8.11.6/3.7W-MAILSV4-NEC) with ESMTP id h598Bf307830; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:11:41 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) id RAA15924; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:11:40 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (mcspd15 [10.30.114.174]) with ESMTP id h598BcNH014222; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:11:38 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 1D87C3732; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:11:38 +0900 (JST) Original-To: Juanma Barranquero System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: <20030609091728.2C7D.JMBARRANQUERO@laley.wke.es> Original-Lines: 26 Original-cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14939 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14939 Juanma Barranquero writes: > Every single time that big changes (big == "affecting more than one file") > are suggested in the list, there's little or no discussion, no > one really opposes... and then, after the fact, disagreement suddenly > pop ups. I find it quite a bit tiring. Get used to it. Obviously it's rather _better_ to speak your mind before a change, if possible, but: I often don't follow threads which don't seem interesting in their first few messages, and there have been big changes discussed at the tail-end of threads which may not even resemble the original topic! Even if you go to the trouble of posting an obvious announcement message (like Kim's recent warnings), I think it's not uncommon for people to miss such things for whatever reason. The effects of big changes are often rather hard to miss once they're done, however. If there's a problem, there's a problem, and I'd hope that people will speak up when they see one, regardless of how annoying it is for the person who made the change. -Miles -- .Numeric stability is probably not all that important when you're guessing.