From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info tutorial is out of date Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:03:52 +0900 Message-ID: References: <87r70l2xza.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1153188281 31479 80.91.229.2 (18 Jul 2006 02:04:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 02:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: belanger@truman.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 18 04:04:37 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2ewn-0003Ly-5Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 04:04:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2ewm-0005ag-LI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:04:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2ewa-0005ab-2o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:04:16 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2ewX-0005aO-Tw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:04:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2ewX-0005aL-Qg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:04:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [203.180.232.83] (helo=mgate03.necel.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2ezI-0006yE-FO; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:07:05 -0400 Original-Received: from relay11.aps.necel.com (relay11 [10.29.19.46]) by mgate03.necel.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6I088Cv017743; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:04:07 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay21.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.24] [10.29.19.24]) by relay11.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:04:07 +0900 Original-Received: from dhapc248.dev.necel.com ([10.114.97.235] [10.114.97.235]) by relay21.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:04:07 +0900 Original-Received: by dhapc248.dev.necel.com (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 1FB1D481; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:03:52 +0900 (JST) Original-To: Stefan Monnier System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:09:47 -0400") Original-Lines: 18 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:57234 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > I think it's pretentious to think that we can influence people's habits > so easily. I don't think so. My observation has been that the sort of person who tries Emacs _at all_ (which e.g. excludes your average PHB etc) is relatively open-minded about such things, and willing to give something "new" (heh) a go. It's perhaps silly for a tutorial to pretend the mouse/etc don't exist, but basically people already know how to use them, so I think not much really be said other than a note explaining _why_ the tutorial concentrates on key bindings. -Miles -- My spirit felt washed. With blood. [Eli Shin, on "The Passion of the Christ"]