From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:10:43 +0900 Message-ID: References: <23521879.post@talk.nabble.com> <7b501d5c0905131659r1d79ec56s5a59f76e4713edf9@mail.gmail.com> <23532135.post@talk.nabble.com> <87tz3odq3l.fsf@iki.fi> <23538683.post@talk.nabble.com> <87eiuru24b.fsf@iki.fi> <39370.130.55.118.19.1242397867.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <48914.130.55.118.19.1242592120.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <66C6BA04EBCF4B6DAED69E851627D852@us.oracle.com> <87eiue83i7.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <833aatuby5.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243239070 26460 80.91.229.12 (25 May 2009 08:11:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:11:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 25 10:11:03 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M8VGw-0003vz-MF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 10:11:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40056 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8VGw-0007qK-33 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 04:11:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8VGr-0007q2-QB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 04:10:57 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8VGn-0007pV-BF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 04:10:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52411 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8VGn-0007pS-7g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 04:10:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:42699) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M8VGh-0008L7-7U; Mon, 25 May 2009 04:10:47 -0400 Original-Received: from tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.193]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M8VGg-000680-9q; Mon, 25 May 2009 04:10:46 -0400 Original-Received: from relay21.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.50]) by tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n4P89UaM024016; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:10:44 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay31.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.24] [10.29.19.24]) by relay21.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:10:44 +0900 Original-Received: from dhlpc061 ([10.114.113.45] [10.114.113.45]) by relay31.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:10:44 +0900 Original-Received: by dhlpc061 (Postfix, from userid 31295) id EC1C052E21E; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:10:43 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: <833aatuby5.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 25 May 2009 05:57:06 +0300") Original-Lines: 18 X-Detected-Operating-System: by mx20.gnu.org: Solaris 8 (1) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111069 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> The pros and cons of display line motion have been debated extensively, >> and I see no new points on either side of the debate. > > Well, just to add a data point: I'm a heavy Emacs user for the last 15 > years, and I find this new behavior very useful in many situations. > It took a bit to get accustomed to, but I find it so convenient I > never even tried to customize it back to what it was before. Me too. I think the current defaults are good. There simply is no setting that will be perfect in all situations, but the current (default) settings seem a reasonable compromise. -Miles -- Everywhere is walking distance if you have the time. -- Steven Wright