From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:20:47 +0900 Message-ID: References: <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <20080714195651.GF3445@muc.de> <487C5FA3.4070603@emf.net> <87zloggji9.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878wvxxkn6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ej5oz4pb.fsf@saeurebad.de> <87vdyzxype.fsf@saeurebad.de> <871w1njq32.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iquzxgtk.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884CFEF.8040404@gmail.com> <48861A51.1090401@gmail.com> <4887C77C.2090109@gmail.com> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216956094 8101 80.91.229.12 (25 Jul 2008 03:21:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:21:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lord@emf.net, drobinow@gmail.com, "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" , hannes@saeurebad.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, acm@muc.de To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 25 05:22:23 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KMDss-0002j0-Pg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:22:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59821 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMDry-00020x-N4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:21:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMDrt-0001wH-7i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:21:21 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMDrr-0001tg-NY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:21:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34892 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMDrr-0001tU-G9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:21:19 -0400 Original-Received: from tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.193]:47014) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KMDrk-0008Ia-4z; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:21:12 -0400 Original-Received: from relay11.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.46]) by tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m6P3KhJL018450; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:20:48 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay11.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.16] [10.29.19.16]) by relay11.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:20:48 +0900 Original-Received: from dhapc248.dev.necel.com ([10.114.112.215] [10.114.112.215]) by relay11.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:20:48 +0900 Original-Received: by dhapc248.dev.necel.com (Postfix, from userid 31295) id E88FC54D; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:20:47 +0900 (JST) System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: (Richard M. Stallman's message of "Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:04:40 -0400") Original-Lines: 18 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 8 (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101446 Archived-At: Richard M Stallman writes: > I see no reason to think such an effect exists. Meanwhile, people > have told me that the fact that Emacs runs on Windows undercut their > ability to insist on running GNU/Linux at work. This seems pretty surprising ... the sort of people that say "just use windows" are also the sort to say "just use visual studio / notepad / ...". In my _personal_ experience, emacs on windows has been something of a nice tool to introduce people to the free software world. There are other free apps like firefox that can do this too, but there's something fairly unique about emacs -- it's not just "a better browser" or even just "a better editor". -miles -- Alone, adj. In bad company.