From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.linux.debian.devel.emacsen Subject: Re: Debian's idiosyncratic complexification of Emacs Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:27:23 +0900 Message-ID: References: <4eb0089f0807111345h13eccdds9b2cf43370b94074@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807121340x5e26f6dbve03ef50b238f3a3a@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <487A783B.7060603@gmail.com> <20080713232635.GD1076@muc.de> <85od51id2t.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <20080714204242.GH6711@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20080714223059.GG3445@muc.de> <20080715013845.GX3675@rzlab.ucr.edu> <877ibl8vjs.fsf@red-bean.com> <87lk01ij7f.fsf@anzu.internal.golden-gryphon.com> <87ljzvormp.fsf@red-bean.com> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216700872 5326 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2008 04:27:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:27:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: debian-emacsen@lists.debian.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Karl Fogel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 22 06:28:40 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KL9UF-0000iE-HQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:28:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57266 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KL9TM-0005NA-5Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:27:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KL9TH-0005N5-Ne for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:27:31 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KL9TF-0005Mt-9P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:27:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60744 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KL9TF-0005Mq-4S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:27:29 -0400 Original-Received: from tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.193]:33808) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KL9TB-0005uM-PF; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:27:26 -0400 Original-Received: from relay31.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.54]) by tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m6M4ROvE006971; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:27:24 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay11.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.20] [10.29.19.20]) by relay31.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:27:24 +0900 Original-Received: from dhapc248.dev.necel.com ([10.114.112.215] [10.114.112.215]) by relay11.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:27:23 +0900 Original-Received: by dhapc248.dev.necel.com (Postfix, from userid 31295) id E3F45455; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:27:23 +0900 (JST) System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: <87ljzvormp.fsf@red-bean.com> (Karl Fogel's message of "Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:26:54 -0400") Original-Lines: 27 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 8 (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101163 gmane.linux.debian.devel.emacsen:2457 Archived-At: Incidentally, while on the issue of debian emacs startup, I have the following snippet in my .emacs file for hooking my non-debian emacs into the debian emacs package system: ;; Debian stuff (unless (boundp 'debian-emacs-flavor) (load "/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/debian-startup") (debian-startup 'emacs22) (debian-startup 'emacs22)) ["emacs22" because there is no emacs23 in debian yet] It does appear to work (I can even use complicated packages like ecb installed via aptitude), but is obviously slightly odd; is there a better way than this? AFAICT, the multiple calls to `debian-startup' are necessary -- it doesn't work with just one -- which is one of the weird things nobody seemed to understand when I asked about it a few years about on debian-emacsen.... Thanks, -Miles -- Run away! Run away!