From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info tutorial is out of date Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:29:04 +0900 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1153189789 2645 80.91.229.2 (18 Jul 2006 02:29:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 02:29:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 18 04:29:46 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2fL9-0007DT-GU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 04:29:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2fL8-0000U8-LX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:29:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2fKw-0000Tr-Hv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:29:26 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2fKt-0000TT-5h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:29:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2fKt-0000TQ-1e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:29:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [203.180.232.82] (helo=mgate02.necel.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2fNf-00009I-9x; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:32:15 -0400 Original-Received: from relay11.aps.necel.com (relay11 [10.29.19.46]) by mgate02.necel.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6I2IKJJ000933; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:29:20 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay21.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.24] [10.29.19.24]) by relay11.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:29:20 +0900 Original-Received: from dhapc248.dev.necel.com ([10.114.97.235] [10.114.97.235]) by relay21.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:29:20 +0900 Original-Received: by dhapc248.dev.necel.com (Postfix, from userid 31295) id D7003481; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:29:04 +0900 (JST) Original-To: "Drew Adams" System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:33:42 -0700") Original-Lines: 21 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:57235 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: > Key bindings *are* shortcuts - what's wrong with that? 1) They are > commonly called "keyboard shortcuts" by many people. 2) They are > shorter (quicker) to use than clicking menus and links with a mouse - > don't you agree? They are shorter (quicker) than using `M-x' - don't > you agree? What is it about "shortcut" that sets you off? It's a loaded term -- it implies that they are a "quick _alternative_" to some other primary, more "proper," method of invoking the command. [Surely you knew that... it's hardly a new topic in Emacs mailing lists...] I think the term "shortcut", while common among the GUI set, actually does do some harm by subtly encouraging people to think of menus as the "standard" way of doing things. For that reason, it really should only be used in applications where that is indeed true, not in applications like Emacs where it is most certainly not true. -Miles -- 97% of everything is grunge