From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: visual-line-mode Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:30:54 +0900 Message-ID: References: <87zlp4raab.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87d4lzehq2.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87skuqbwr8.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <85E9BC5B-7337-4CD4-A783-6B2FAEBAEBCA@gmail.com> <87tzf6c5il.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87abgxx0ju.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4D997CA8-A2ED-4E12-9F91-76E98AE95210@gmail.com> <87prpsjhre.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <375C0006-2B47-4B1F-9EB2-ED47941C2DB3@gmail.com> <87od56tp4o.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <71C2D50C-1680-4ADD-A7E3-7B7A1146B85D@gmail.com> <87ej61n19h.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87vdzdr6f6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87fxqhpblm.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1215743495 17653 80.91.229.12 (11 Jul 2008 02:31:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:31:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Reitter , Chong Yidong , "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" , Emacs-Devel devel To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 11 04:32:21 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KH8Qn-0002uK-Jk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:32:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51093 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KH8Pw-0007XX-1h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:31:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KH8Pe-0007LA-5L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:31:10 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KH8Pc-0007KJ-FI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:31:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43445 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KH8Pc-0007KC-7v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:31:08 -0400 Original-Received: from tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.193]:51944) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KH8PY-0002ee-B9; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:31:04 -0400 Original-Received: from relay21.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.50]) by tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m6B2UvBF026874; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:30:57 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay31.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.20] [10.29.19.20]) by relay21.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:30:57 +0900 Original-Received: from dhapc248.dev.necel.com ([10.114.112.215] [10.114.112.215]) by relay31.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:30:57 +0900 Original-Received: by dhapc248.dev.necel.com (Postfix, from userid 31295) id A609255D; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:30:56 +0900 (JST) System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:36:06 -0400") Original-Lines: 20 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 8 (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100569 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > This said, I find that visual-line movement works well *all the time* > (literally). I've never felt like turning it off and the few times I've > bumped into it unexpectedly, I was positively surprised. Me too. I've been using Stefan's patch (which just turns on visual-movement globally) since he posted it, and aside from the aformentioned weird behavior of C-a/C-e (which is clearly just a bug), I find I don't even _notice_. While it's true that redefining basic commands is frowned-upon in general, C-a/C-e/C-n/C-p have long had special "interactive" versions that do funny things to make the user happy, with lisp code using more basic primitives. I don't think it would be a stretch to just commit a bug-fixed and extended version of Stefan's patch. -miles -- We live, as we dream -- alone....