From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: region-active-p Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:59:30 +0900 Message-ID: References: <87myu0w4ld.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <85ve8nzt8m.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1193817615 6425 80.91.229.12 (31 Oct 2007 08:00:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:00:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc, andreas.roehler@online.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, Stefan Monnier , "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Drew Adams To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 31 09:00:07 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1In8Ug-0006hL-Ky for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:00:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1In8UX-0004uo-8H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:59:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1In8UU-0004t0-8Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:59:54 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1In8US-0004rS-Qg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:59:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1In8US-0004rP-DE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:59:52 -0400 Original-Received: from tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.193]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1In8UH-0006U2-9O; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:59:42 -0400 Original-Received: from relay11.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.46]) by tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l9V7wwf9020891; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:59:32 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay31.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.16] [10.29.19.16]) by relay11.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:59:32 +0900 Original-Received: from dhapc248.dev.necel.com ([10.114.112.215] [10.114.112.215]) by relay31.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:59:31 +0900 Original-Received: by dhapc248.dev.necel.com (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 60487527; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:59:30 +0900 (JST) System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: <85ve8nzt8m.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Wed\, 31 Oct 2007 07\:35\:37 +0100") Original-Lines: 22 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 8 (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:82206 David Kastrup writes: >> Personally I think we should just use region-active-p, with non-empty >> test by default -- the incompatibility with xemacs is minor, and I >> think it's far more important that the code in Emacs be clear. I'm >> sure package authors can cope in those (very few) cases where it >> actually makes any difference. > > But the standard test _is_ (and transient-make-mode mark-active) and has > been so for eternities. And it will stay that way for external packages > for a long time to come. So we will get inconsistent behavior. Who cares? In most cases, the new behavior is _better_. In other words, it seems likely that the number of times a user is _helped_ because the new behavior is more intuitive, will exceed the number of times a user is confused because the behavior is not 100% the same as it was previously. -Miles -- My books focus on timeless truths. -- Donald Knuth