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From: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
To: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
Cc: Bob Rogers <rogers-emacs@rgrjr.dyndns.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:54:01 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <buo4ov02sau.fsf@dhlpc061.dev.necel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e01d8a50906010222p66310196n4314b1dc6ba4e65@mail.gmail.com> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:22:09 +0200")

Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes:
>>> Why do you suppose an Emacs newbie would expect the arrow keys to be the
>>> same as C-n/C-p?
>
>> Having them be "similar but subtly different" horribly confuses an
>> otherwise straight-forward association.
>
> I do not think that is true for something that you use as often as those keys.

I suppose an experienced user, like me, who uses both often[*], might be
so accustomed to the differences that they would internalize them.  Then
they'd probably simply be _annoyed_ by the arbitrary differences, rather
than confused by them.

However my reply was talking about newbies.  An emacs newbie,
tentatively exploring the use of C-p/C-n instead of arrow-keys wouldn't
have that experience.  It seems pretty likely to me that they _would_
get confused (and annoyed of course) by such seemingly arbitrary
differences and that this might discourage them.

-Miles

[*] I use arrow keys and C-n/C-p/etc pretty much interchangeably,
    depending on, for example, on whether I happen to be typing some
    text with both hands, or am browsing through a file while drinking
    coffee with the other hand....

-- 
Christian, n. One who follows the teachings of Christ so long as they are not
inconsistent with a life of sin.




  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-01  9:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-24 12:30 please make line-move-visual nil Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-13 13:35 ` garyo
2009-05-13 23:59   ` Deniz Dogan
2009-05-14  0:06     ` garyo
2009-05-14  8:51       ` Teemu Likonen
2009-05-14  9:37         ` Antoine Levitt
2009-05-15  3:21           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-15  4:22             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-17  6:29               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-14 11:29         ` garyo
2009-05-14 15:37           ` Teemu Likonen
2009-05-15  2:45             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-15 14:31               ` Davis Herring
2009-05-17  6:29                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-17 10:48                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-17 20:28                     ` Davis Herring
2009-05-24 22:33                       ` Drew Adams
2009-05-24 23:18                         ` Bastien
2009-05-24 23:18                         ` Leo
2009-05-24 23:50                           ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-24 23:58                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-25  8:05                               ` Miles Bader
2009-05-25  0:53                             ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25  1:03                               ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-25  1:59                                 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 13:23                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 17:51                                     ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25  2:32                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-25  3:01                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25  4:16                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25  8:34                                       ` Bastien
2009-05-25 20:21                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 20:46                                         ` Drew Adams
2009-05-27 12:48                                       ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2009-05-27 12:51                                         ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2009-05-31 11:45                                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-31 12:08                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2009-05-31 17:00                                             ` Miles Bader
2009-05-31 22:29                                               ` Bob Rogers
2009-06-01  2:33                                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-06-01  9:22                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01  9:54                                                     ` Miles Bader [this message]
2009-06-01  9:59                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-05 22:13                                                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2009-05-31 13:09                                           ` Deniz Dogan
2009-06-01  2:39                                             ` Miles Bader
2009-05-31 21:19                                           ` Chong Yidong
2009-06-01  7:24                                             ` Mathias Megyei
2009-06-01 13:29                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 14:36                                             ` T.V. Raman
2009-06-01 16:20                                               ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 17:56                                                 ` Chong Yidong
2009-06-01 18:26                                                   ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 18:26                                                   ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 20:11                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 21:00                                                       ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:25                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 21:33                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:56                                                             ` bug#3438: " Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 21:56                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 21:33                                                           ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:25                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 22:33                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 22:33                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 22:52                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:12                                                             ` bug#3438: " Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 23:12                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 23:57                                                               ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:57                                                               ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:13                                                             ` bug#3438: " Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-01 23:13                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-01 23:23                                                               ` Drew Adams
2009-06-02 15:59                                                                 ` bug#3438: " Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-02 15:59                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-01 23:23                                                               ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 22:52                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-06-12 17:16                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-06-12 17:16                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-06-12 21:45                                                             ` bug#3438: " Stefan Monnier
2009-06-12 21:45                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-13  0:19                                                               ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-13  0:19                                                               ` Drew Adams
2009-06-14 20:45                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 21:00                                                       ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 20:11                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 23:18                                                     ` Drew Adams
2009-06-02  1:29                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 17:56                                                 ` bug#3438: " Chong Yidong
2009-05-25  8:18                                     ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 20:46                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 21:06                                         ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 21:28                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25  2:57                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25  8:10                               ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26  3:48                               ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-24 23:53                         ` David Reitter
2009-05-25  0:03                           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-25  0:52                           ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25  2:32                             ` David Reitter
2009-05-25  8:35                               ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25  2:26                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-25  2:02                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25  4:16                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25  8:16                             ` Miles Bader
2009-05-25  9:29                               ` Ulrich Mueller
2009-05-25 10:16                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26  0:13                                 ` Richard M Stallman
2009-05-28 10:38                                   ` David Kastrup
2009-05-28 11:23                                     ` Bastien
2009-05-28 13:38                                     ` Werner LEMBERG
2009-05-29  4:39                                     ` rms
2009-05-26  9:52                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-05-26 12:08                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26 12:36                                     ` Rupert Swarbrick
2009-05-26 20:12                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25  8:17                           ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 13:29                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 17:51                               ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 21:14                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 21:26                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26  6:56                                   ` Tassilo Horn
2009-05-26 11:37                                     ` Deniz Dogan
2009-05-26 12:24                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26 12:42                                         ` David Reitter
     [not found]                                           ` <m3hbz8c9qy.fsf@verona.se>
2009-05-26 12:58                                             ` David Reitter
2009-05-26 12:42                                         ` joakim
2009-05-26 13:54                                         ` Jason Rumney
2009-05-26 20:21                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-27  2:50                                             ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26 16:56                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-26 19:17                                   ` Tobias C. Rittweiler
2009-05-14 17:14   ` Bob Nnamtrop
2009-05-14 16:00 ` Shaun Johnson
2009-05-14 16:20   ` David Reitter
2009-05-14 18:17     ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-05-15  5:32       ` David Reitter
2009-05-15  7:18         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-15  7:40         ` Stephen Berman
2009-05-15  7:58           ` Miles Bader
2009-05-15 14:14             ` Drew Adams
2009-05-15 14:21             ` Stephen Berman
2009-05-15 14:27               ` Miles Bader
2009-05-16  6:13               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-17  3:53       ` Stefan Monnier

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