From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Lawyer's evaluation Date: 22 Sep 2003 11:02:03 +0900 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <871xud8z7j.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <87vfro7uga.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1064196157 6049 80.91.224.253 (22 Sep 2003 02:02:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 02:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 22 04:02:35 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A1G27-0001BK-00 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 04:02:35 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A1G7i-0008It-00 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 04:08:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A1G1p-0006lK-2D for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:02:17 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 1A1G1j-0006kY-Ln for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:02:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 1A1G1i-0006jX-7n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:02:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [202.32.8.214] (helo=TYO201.gate.nec.co.jp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A1G1g-0006ed-GR; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:02:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mailgate3.nec.co.jp (mailgate53.nec.co.jp [10.7.69.192]) by TYO201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W01080315) with ESMTP id h8M225g23958; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:02:05 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mailsv4.nec.co.jp (mailgate52.nec.co.jp [10.7.69.198]) by mailgate3.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILGATE-NEC) with ESMTP id h8M225U11040; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:02:05 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from edtmg04.lsi.nec.co.jp ([10.26.17.201]) by mailsv4.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILSV4-NEC) with ESMTP id h8M224X18665; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:02:04 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edtmg04.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.9.3p2+3.2W/3.7W_EDC_Ver.1.0) with ESMTP id LAA14116; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:02:04 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (mcspd15 [10.30.114.174]) by mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.12.9/8.12.8/EDcg v2.01-mc/1046780839) with ESMTP id h8M223bo002287; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:02:03 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 8CD393778; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:02:03 +0900 (JST) Original-To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: <87vfro7uga.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Original-Lines: 33 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:16543 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:16543 "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > Miles> Yeah, I agree -- in my mind, perhaps the _most_ important > Miles> (important to me, that is :-) thing to say while you've got > Miles> the user's attention, is `This is Free Software (as in > Miles> freedom), there's a lot more of it, and a great community > Miles> to back it up. Wanna join?' > > How about > > "The following General Public License states and protects additional > rights, the rights that constitute true software freedom, that you > possess." > > OR > > "The following General Public License states and protects additional > rights, the rights that make GNU Emacs truly free software, that you > possess." No, those miss the point entirely. `Emacs is Free Software' I.e. establish the term `Free Software' as a category. Names are important. Muttering on about `true software freedom' and `truly free software' seems to simply try and avoid doing this (not to mention risking flamewars from BSD fans :-). -Miles -- `Cars give people wonderful freedom and increase their opportunities. But they also destroy the environment, to an extent so drastic that they kill all social life' (from _A Pattern Language_)