From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Post-22.1 development? Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:57:36 +0900 Organization: NEC Electronics Message-ID: References: <878xb05ras.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <864plnorgn.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <85ps4ap0kh.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <18023.8888.790251.607253@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <4667AAD8.5040502@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1181199945 27011 80.91.229.12 (7 Jun 2007 07:05:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:05:45 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 07 09:05:42 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HwC3q-0000Eo-U0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:05:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HwC3m-0000nS-Lf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 03:05:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HwC3i-0000l2-Ie for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 03:05:26 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HwC3g-0000hT-NJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 03:05:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HwC3g-0000h2-HF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 03:05:24 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HwC3f-0007ci-8J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 03:05:23 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HwC07-00070v-1g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:01:43 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:01:43 +0200 Original-Received: from miles.bader by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:01:43 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 23 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: fencepost.gnu.org System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop Cancel-Lock: sha1:ag+5lo7Y72se6dH8Rc647f1kFqU= X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:72403 Archived-At: Jan Djärv writes: >> It's a bit rambling, but the relevant part is how Emacs doesn't sit >> naturally on a modern Desktop. I don't fully understand the issues but >> Jan D. could probably explain them. > > It is a lot of general comments but very few specific. Also they seem to > be based on a non-Gtk build of Emacs. But even with a Gtk build, there > are things lacking, and what I think they mean are: ... A large part of what you listed basically comes down to "Emacs is not a Gnome program"... which is inarguably true. But "not a gnome program" != "doesn't sit naturally on a modern desktop": most of these points apply to almost every other non-gnome program out there -- including programs using very functional and polished non-gtk/gnome GUI/infrastructure toolkits. -Miles -- The car has become... an article of dress without which we feel uncertain, unclad, and incomplete. [Marshall McLuhan, Understanding Media, 1964]