From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:37:08 +0900 Message-ID: References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19546.47167.15000.439215@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87fwys7qao.fsf@telefonica.net> <87hbj8qvd9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87iq3k68ye.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <874of466rj.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87pqxsbrie.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87k4nv7t72.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <19556.28233.750000.798692@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87aaoqjzge.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87mxsqzfam.fsf@telefonica.net> <87wrrue9sk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1281944272 32575 80.91.229.12 (16 Aug 2010 07:37:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 07:37:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3scar?= Fuentes , Chong Yidong , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 16 09:37:50 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OkuGU-0001JM-Ie for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:37:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59793 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OkuGS-0007A2-L9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 03:37:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41163 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OkuG0-00079q-SC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 03:37:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OkuFv-0005oN-4F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 03:37:20 -0400 Original-Received: from tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.193]:56347) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OkuFu-0005nx-M2; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 03:37:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailgate3.nec.co.jp ([10.7.69.197]) by tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id o7G7bB48016816; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:37:11 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: (from root@localhost) by mailgate3.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILGATE-NEC) id o7G7bB413156; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:37:11 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay11.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.46]) by vgate01.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILSV-NEC) with ESMTP id o7G7bBL12146; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:37:11 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay11.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.24] [10.29.19.24]) by relay11.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:37:11 +0900 Original-Received: from dhlpc061 ([10.114.114.217] [10.114.114.217]) by relay11.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:37:11 +0900 Original-Received: by dhlpc061 (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 3816852E1B8; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:37:10 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: (christian lynbech's message of "Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:25:12 +0200") Original-Lines: 24 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 8 (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128784 Archived-At: writes: > Chong> The current standard is used on all platforms: the key labelled > Chong> "Alt" on the keyboard is handled internally by Emacs as Meta. > > Is this really correct? ... > I have for a long time used the windows key as my meta key and that I > have realised that simply by reshuffling the modifier keysyms via > xmodmap. I think it's impossible to make any firm statements about the issue on modern systems, there are just too many layers stepping on each others' toes, too many vague system/device-dependent details, and too much "helpful" tweaking by various parties (e.g., gnome-session). [Currently on my home system, the Alt key maps to meta in Emacs, but the "Windows" (really super) key maps to meta in most non-Emacs apps; on my work system (with identical software/OS versions), this inconsistency doesn't exist. I have no idea why...] -Miles -- Learning, n. The kind of ignorance distinguishing the studious.