UTF8

UTF8

[David Rasmussen]

When I just do

'emacs whatever.txt'

and edit the newly created file using some danish special characters, 
and then save, I get an ISO-8859-1 encoded text file. How do I get emacs 
to use UTF8 instead of ISO-8859-1 as default?

/David

Re: UTF8

[Jesper Harder]

David Rasmussen <david.rasmussen@gmx.net> writes:

> 'emacs whatever.txt'
>
> and edit the newly created file using some danish special characters,
> and then save, I get an ISO-8859-1 encoded text file. How do I get
> emacs to use UTF8 instead of ISO-8859-1 as default?

Do `C-x RET f utf-8' in the buffer.  If you always want to use utf-8,
you should change your locale.

Re: UTF8

[David Rasmussen]

Jesper Harder wrote:
> 
> Do `C-x RET f utf-8' in the buffer.  

Thanks.

> If you always want to use utf-8,
> you should change your locale.

In emacs? Where do I do that?

/David

Re: UTF8

[Jesper Harder]

David Rasmussen <david.rasmussen@gmx.net> writes:

> Jesper Harder wrote:

>> If you always want to use utf-8, you should change your locale.
>
> In emacs?

If you want all your applications to use utf-8, no.  If you just want
Emacs to prefer utf-8 use `set-language-environment'.

> Where do I do that?

Set LANG to something like en_GB.utf8 (or da_DK.utf8).

Re: UTF8

[LEE Sau Dan]

>>>>> "David" == David Rasmussen <david.rasmussen@gmx.net> writes:

    David> Jesper Harder wrote:
    >> Do `C-x RET f utf-8' in the buffer.

    David> Thanks.

    >> If you always want to use utf-8, you should change your locale.

    David> In emacs? Where do I do that?

If you  only want  that inside emacs,  M-x apropos  coding-system RET.
Check  those  items  with  a  "default"  in the  name.   Then,  do  an
appropriate (setq ...) in your ~/.emacs.


If  you want  Emacs and  other applications  to use  UTF-8  instead of
ISO-8859-1 by default, set  the environment variable LANG to something
like "da_DK.utf8" before starting Emacs and those apps.



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Re: UTF8

[David Rasmussen]

LEE Sau Dan wrote:
> 
> If  you want  Emacs and  other applications  to use  UTF-8  instead of
> ISO-8859-1 by default, set  the environment variable LANG to something
> like "da_DK.utf8" before starting Emacs and those apps.
> 

But the rest of my system already is using UTF-8,
and my LANG is da_DK.UTF-8. So why isn't emacs
automagically using UTF-8 by default?

I have set it up manually in emacs now, though.

/David

Re: UTF8

[Jesper Harder]

David Rasmussen <david.rasmussen@gmx.net> writes:

> But the rest of my system already is using UTF-8, and my LANG is
> da_DK.UTF-8. So why isn't emacs automagically using UTF-8 by
> default?

My crystall ball tells me that you're using Emacs 21.2.  It should
work in Emacs 21.3.

Re: UTF8

[David Rasmussen]

Jesper Harder wrote:
> 
> My crystall ball tells me that you're using Emacs 21.2.  It should
> work in Emacs 21.3.

Heheh... Emacs says 21.3.1.

/David

Re: UTF8

[Jesper Harder]

David Rasmussen <david.rasmussen@gmx.net> writes:

> Jesper Harder wrote:
>> My crystall ball tells me that you're using Emacs 21.2.  It should
>> work in Emacs 21.3.
>
> Heheh... Emacs says 21.3.1.

If you do:

$ LANG=da_DK.UTF-8 emacs-21.3 -q --no-site-file

Which language environment does `C-h C-l RET' report?

Re: UTF8

[David Rasmussen]

Jesper Harder wrote:
> 
> If you do:
> 
> $ LANG=da_DK.UTF-8 emacs-21.3 -q --no-site-file
> 
> Which language environment does `C-h C-l RET' report?

UTF-8. But as I wrote elsewhere, I already have 
set this up in the Mule menu. The interesting 
thing is why it wasn't UTF-8 to begin with.

/David

Re: UTF8

[Jesper Harder]

David Rasmussen <david.rasmussen@gmx.net> writes:

> Jesper Harder wrote:
>> If you do:
>> $ LANG=da_DK.UTF-8 emacs-21.3 -q --no-site-file
>> Which language environment does `C-h C-l RET' report?
>
> UTF-8. But as I wrote elsewhere, I already have set this up in the
> Mule menu. The interesting thing is why it wasn't UTF-8 to begin
> with.

You're missing the point.

When you start Emacs with '-q --no-site-file' it does not read your
customizations.  So, the reason it didn't use utf-8 is a setting in
one of your init files.

Re: UTF8

[David Rasmussen]

Jesper Harder wrote:
> 
> You're missing the point.
> 

Really?

> When you start Emacs with '-q --no-site-file' it does not read your
> customizations.  So, the reason it didn't use utf-8 is a setting in
> one of your init files.

What? What init file?

/David

Re: UTF8

[Jesper Harder]

David Rasmussen <david.rasmussen@gmx.net> writes:

> Jesper Harder wrote:
>
>> When you start Emacs with '-q --no-site-file' it does not read your
>> customizations.  So, the reason it didn't use utf-8 is a setting in
>> one of your init files.
>
> What? What init file?

.emacs, default.el or site-start.el.

Re: UTF8

[David Rasmussen]

Jesper Harder wrote:
> 
> .emacs, default.el or site-start.el.

Weird. The system was newly installed. I can't 
reproduce it now, even on another new account. My 
best guess is this: I copied my .emacs from my 
cygwin system on a Windows computer. Maybe it had 
a specific line in it, that told emacs to use 
ISO-8859-1. Maybe.

/David

Re: UTF8

[David Rasmussen]

David Rasmussen wrote:
> 
> Weird. The system was newly installed. I can't reproduce it now, even on 
> another new account. My best guess is this: I copied my .emacs from my 
> cygwin system on a Windows computer. Maybe it had a specific line in it, 
> that told emacs to use ISO-8859-1. Maybe.
> 

Yep! That's it. I just checked the old cygwin 
.emacs, and it had the line

'(current-language-environment "Latin-1")

where the other has UTF-8.

/David

Re: UTF8

[Stefan Monnier]

> But the rest of my system already is using UTF-8,
> and my LANG is da_DK.UTF-8. So why isn't emacs
> automagically using UTF-8 by default?

That's because the utf-8 support in Emacs was considered subpar, IIRC.
In the CVS code, this should not be the case anymore.


        Stefan

Re: UTF8

[R B Mahoney]

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:22:10 +0100, David Rasmussen
 <david.rasmussen@gmx.net> wrote:

> When I just do
>
> 'emacs whatever.txt'
>
> and edit the newly created file using some danish special characters, 
> and then save, I get an ISO-8859-1 encoded text file. How do I get emacs 
> to use UTF8 instead of ISO-8859-1 as default?

to your init file (e.g. ~/.emacs.el) you could add:

(setq load-path (cons "/path/to/utf-8-input_file/" load-path))
(prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)
(set-terminal-coding-system 'utf-8)
(set-selection-coding-system 'utf-8)
(modify-coding-system-alist 'file "" 'utf-8)
(setq default-enable-multibyte-characters t)
(load-library "utf-8-input")
(setq default-input-method 'utf-8-input)

`utf-8-input.el' is available at:

 http://homepages.comnet.co.nz/~r-mahoney/scripts/scripts.html


Best regards,

 Richard MAHONEY


-- 
Richard MAHONEY  |  rbm49@ext.canterbury.ac.nz
                 |  homepages.comnet.co.nz/~r-mahoney

Re: UTF8

[Stefan Monnier]

> (setq load-path (cons "/path/to/utf-8-input_file/" load-path))
> (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)
> (set-terminal-coding-system 'utf-8)
> (set-selection-coding-system 'utf-8)
> (modify-coding-system-alist 'file "" 'utf-8)
> (setq default-enable-multibyte-characters t)
> (load-library "utf-8-input")
> (setq default-input-method 'utf-8-input)

Of course, seeing the above list, you should think "hmm, all this just to
use utf-8, there must be a better way".
At which point you might discover set-language-environment.


        Stefan

Re: UTF8

[David Rasmussen]

Stefan Monnier wrote:
> 
> Of course, seeing the above list, you should think "hmm, all this just to
> use utf-8, there must be a better way".
> At which point you might discover set-language-environment.
> 

Which is what happened :)

I just did in the menu:
Options->Mule->Set Language Environment->UTF-8

It seems to work.

/David

utf8

[Denise Chemla]

Hi everybody,

 

I am french, I use intensively gnu-emacs but I don't know it too much. I probably click on bad keys from my keyboard and now, each time I want to save my file using ctrl-s, emacs tells me something like "please confirm your encoding is well utf-8-unix" and only after I write all the letters U T F - 8 - U N I X, it saves my work. I am completely tired to type all those letters at each time I save.

 

Could you help me, telling me what I made wrong ?

 

Sincerely yours,

Denise Chemla

Re: utf8

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 01.11.2013 um 10:26 schrieb Denise Chemla:

> each time I want to save my file using ctrl-s,

That cannot work! C-s is bound to incremental-search- or isearch-forward.

> emacs tells me something like "please confirm your encoding is well utf-8-unix" and only after I write all the letters U T F - 8 - U N I X, it saves my work. I am completely tired to type all those letters at each time I save.

You should check the environment variables LANG and LC_ALL. They make GNU Emacs choose an encoding that corresponds to their values. It might work to override this setting by using in your init file

	(prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)

BTW, you don't need to repeat the letters "U T F - 8 - U N I X", the second and the other times you can use the arrow keys (up or down) to get your preferred value back. TAB also allows to expand the word started.

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Greetings

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Re: utf8

[Andreas Röhler]

Am 01.11.2013 10:26, schrieb Denise Chemla:
> Hi everybody,
>
>
>
> I am french, I use intensively gnu-emacs but I don't know it too much. I probably click on bad keys from my keyboard and now, each time I want to save my file using ctrl-s, emacs tells me something like "please confirm your encoding is well utf-8-unix" and only after I write all the letters U T F - 8 - U N I X, it saves my work. I am completely tired to type all those letters at each time I save.
>
>
>
> Could you help me, telling me what I made wrong ?
>
>
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Denise Chemla
>

Maybe you have some characters in your text which aren't recognised. Got this sometimes from copy-and-past mailings.
Check the text if something isn't displayed correctly.
If this is the case, correct theses letters.

Andreas