From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs: Problems of the Scratch Buffer Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:48:34 +0200 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: Reply-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1334922540 19552 80.91.229.3 (20 Apr 2012 11:49:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:49:00 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 20 13:49:00 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SLCKg-0001nS-91 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:48:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33534 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SLCKf-00011O-C3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:48:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47377) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SLCKZ-00011J-Sp for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:48:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SLCKY-0003uV-BS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:48:51 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:39075) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SLCKY-0003uJ-4S for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:48:50 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SLCKV-0001hL-Sj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:48:47 +0200 Original-Received: from 85.183.18.158 ([85.183.18.158]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:48:47 +0200 Original-Received: from rileyrg by 85.183.18.158 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:48:47 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 23 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.183.18.158 Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130004 (Ma Gnus v0.4) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:jtUkoFU9Z5iKd6srnW5/1HQWIZI= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:84530 Archived-At: Chiron writes: > If Emacs works for you, use it. If not, don't, or fix what you feel is > wrong with it. It's nothing but the most highly customizable editor on > the planet. And there is the core problem with so many Emacs types. Dont like it dont use it. God forbid it could *easily* be made more accessible to new adopters : the hard core are more than capable of re-enabling the somewhat out of date and history rooted "defaults" such as an elisp *scratch* as the first buffer you see or the hideous cut & paste defaults which leave those coming from the desktops which, like it or lump it, account for 97% of computers totally lost and bemused. I love emacs, but this "dont like dont use it" attitude is ridiculous. its a great piece of SW hekp to make it appeal : more users == more maintainers == more ideas == better product. "I'm alright Jack" attitude wont do anything to improve its usage. And usage IS important to ensure its future. Just look at how behind it is with regards to mix mode programming and Java in particular : and no, no one wants to know how "mixed mode programming sucks" - its exists and is common.