From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#58459: Getting a fresh emacs session with no customisation Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 14:36:54 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87fsfsc9af.fsf@yahoo.com> <87zgdzc3vl.fsf@yahoo.com> <87o7ufc1cr.fsf@yahoo.com> <87bkqfbyco.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: uzibalqa Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7547"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Phil Sainty , 58459@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas To: Po Lu Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 13 16:38:15 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oizLh-0001k9-TK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 16:38:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46868 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oizLg-0000SK-Tg for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 10:38:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45894) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oizLX-0000QX-5x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 10:38:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:35429) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oizLW-0003l2-Hq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 10:38:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oizLW-0001Ew-14 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 10:38:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: uzibalqa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 14:38:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58459 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 58459-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58459.16656718294680 (code B ref 58459); Thu, 13 Oct 2022 14:38:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 58459) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Oct 2022 14:37:09 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34503 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oizKe-0001DP-Ki for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 10:37:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-40137.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.137]:59123) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oizKZ-0001Cq-Fw for 58459@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 10:37:07 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1665671817; x=1665931017; bh=shIrRZdA8fnl5BRQ6T9x48U7V9st8IY5Ttq4SK+qfIc=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID; b=MYcvzbkVGZV7Wn/KKZRnSOk6JVBFBJdT5AMu30/qZn87z/RiV/53hE8dlH2A9whbY OchwPwbViE/zfv9brq9uL/6KbU3vOmVm0WakoBfRq3ioflUJuu/amLyVyFnoynrc4D 48miiRCaOflNH7sQL79eGuxUR7SeZuSPlzSh9u5sZx60mwjCz8jNZzh6HLFnOgX1HH OSSd+L82dRmIbL0m0E8Yzhdsd8NJUDswChHWgS8Y16YF2zV4zsrzp/vTN2IU1zwMgJ H8jtMjs4eRsWaczSSYa3D0C6E9czxyneM8d7sJysiODSJa7mq4rXAN0QWfbpvRbuCH infyIXG66sHnA== In-Reply-To: <87bkqfbyco.fsf@yahoo.com> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:245317 Archived-At: Sent with Proton Mail secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Thursday, October 13th, 2022 at 2:19 PM, Po Lu wrot= e: > uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me writes: >=20 > > Sure, but do you realise how long it took to identify the culprit after= the > > enforced settings did not even allow me to see the mode-line because of > > terrible contrast. Make things easy for users, rather than even more di= fficult. >=20 >=20 > It is easy enough. It is documented in the Emacs manual and in > countless pieces of system documentation. >=20 > > Who understands how Xresources works when a user does not even have a u= ser-level > > configuration dotfile in "~/.Xresources". >=20 >=20 > Everyone who uses X is expected to have read the relevant documentation. > What resources are, and where they are found, is even explained in the > comp.windows.x FAQ, which is where you should look first for help with > any problems. However, it has been recommended to users for ages that customizing faces s= hould be done from within Emacs, instead of using X resources. I am trying to get you to= follow this school of thought. Instead we are trying to push even more stuff, requirin= g users to also read the relevant documentation for x-resources. All this and more= , the Emacs Manual, The Emacs Lisp Reference, The Emacs source code as not everything i= n documented, and so on. If it has been recommended to customise faces from within Emacs= , then why have by default the capture of settings from things not recommended. This = kind of design ideas is winding up people something awful. Emacs cannot even agree with i= tself.