From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: CHECK_STRUCTS/dmpstruct.h mechanism is broken.
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 16:29:50 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <bff2c5c7-a965-f077-5379-32a845aa4b72@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h8b1yrsi.fsf@Rainer.invalid>
Achim Gratz wrote:
> Another consideration for Emacs specifically would be how much extra
> baggage we can afford to pack and still support all the systems that we
> do now.
Sure, but that is a reason to prefer Emacs as a candidate for switching from
Autoconf/Automake to GNU Make. Unlike most other major GNU packages, Emacs
already assumes GNU Make, so the switch won't introduce a dependency. Also,
Emacs (unlike most other GNU packages) already avoids Automake and this has
already prompted Gnulib to support packages that don't use Automake. I'm merely
thinking of another step in this process, where Gnulib adds support for packages
that don't use Autoconf either. Since Gnulib currently provides 2/3 of the code
that goes into 'configure', this would be a good step toward moving Emacs away
from Autoconf.
Note that I'm not proposing to move away from the Autoconf Way of testing
features rather than guessing them. I'm merely proposing a way to do that within
the framework of GNU Make (which is parallelized) instead of m4+sh (which is not).
> I still think that incrementally
> improving autoconf is more likely to successfully (and quickly) move
> things forward than trying to outright re-implement it.
As a veteran of Autoconf I disagree, but the only way to resolve this is to see
what happens. Parallelizing Autoconf is a much bigger project than transitioning
GNU Emacs away from Autoconf, and nobody has seriously proposed attempting it. I
think transitioning GNU Emacs is doable but to be honest the initial reactions
here have not been encouraging and so my enthusiasm for the idea is lagging (for
non-technical reasons, not for technical ones).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-04-14 23:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-02-28 20:21 CHECK_STRUCTS/dmpstruct.h mechanism is broken Alan Mackenzie
2019-02-28 20:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-02-28 20:59 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-03-01 7:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-01 13:09 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-03-05 2:17 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-09 22:47 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-10 13:12 ` Andy Moreton
2019-04-10 14:59 ` Andy Moreton
2019-04-10 17:36 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-10 19:26 ` Andy Moreton
2019-04-10 19:43 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-10 16:22 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-04-10 18:05 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-10 19:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-04-10 20:11 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-11 4:11 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-15 12:36 ` Andy Moreton
2019-04-15 15:32 ` Andy Moreton
2019-04-15 15:53 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-11 13:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-11 4:17 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-10 18:47 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-10 18:58 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-10 19:02 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-10 19:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-11 9:35 ` Robert Pluim
2019-04-11 18:31 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-11 19:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-11 22:13 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-12 6:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-11 22:23 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-11 22:26 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-11 22:38 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-12 6:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-12 19:40 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-13 9:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-14 2:52 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-12 12:21 ` Andy Moreton
2019-04-12 13:37 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-04-12 13:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-12 13:58 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-04-13 14:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-04-13 14:46 ` About ./configure --cache-file (WAS: CHECK_STRUCTS/dmpstruct.h mechanism is broken.) Noam Postavsky
2019-04-14 2:44 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-14 3:26 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-14 3:49 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-04-14 9:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-04-14 14:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-14 14:44 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-04-14 14:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-13 8:11 ` CHECK_STRUCTS/dmpstruct.h mechanism is broken Achim Gratz
2019-04-14 2:52 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-14 3:28 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-14 7:22 ` Achim Gratz
2019-04-14 23:29 ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2019-04-15 11:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-04-15 14:14 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-15 18:11 ` Richard Stallman
2019-04-16 18:10 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-22 2:18 ` Richard Stallman
2019-04-22 4:07 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-23 1:41 ` Richard Stallman
2019-04-23 3:48 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-23 6:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-23 16:28 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-23 17:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-23 17:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-24 2:26 ` Richard Stallman
2019-04-15 3:36 ` Richard Stallman
2019-04-15 5:30 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-11 19:55 ` Achim Gratz
2019-04-11 22:10 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-11 22:47 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-11 22:44 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-12 17:02 ` Daniele Nicolodi
2019-04-13 8:26 ` Achim Gratz
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