From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jens Schmidt Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Storing sensitive data indefinitely in variables or buffers: Whether and how to fix? Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 23:25:32 +0200 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39301"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0 To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 30 23:26:57 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q46ro-000A58-N5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 30 May 2023 23:26:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q46qx-00030L-EH; Tue, 30 May 2023 17:26:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q46qv-000305-Px for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 May 2023 17:26:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mr3.vodafonemail.de ([145.253.228.163]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q46qs-0006PX-Sr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 May 2023 17:26:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=vodafonemail.de; s=vfde-mb-mr2-21dec; t=1685481945; bh=0Nwf/ooLn2+y5KMvW2NkqOAq3cloPiYsGUlusAFn290=; h=Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:Content-Language:From:To:Subject: Content-Type:From; b=ZufVqTtm5U1O7a2dcLoJPrw2vTlg+5Oz9loJd+rSPbCBG7v/xjl7XrjGLelYGJvVq 77gJ4uba+USggKdObczieXddpR+3zJvPOGyXxQ6Yres/WGQ3xT5u7pHQCRoT1Xiefv 9CwbpJbQX/Q5aWJVeVt3CEsExpSJDXufxH2CfvHg= Original-Received: from smtp.vodafone.de (unknown [10.0.0.2]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mr3.vodafonemail.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QW56K4r0Cz203x for ; Tue, 30 May 2023 21:25:45 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from [192.168.178.41] (port-92-194-125-168.dynamic.as20676.net [92.194.125.168]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.vodafone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4QW56F1pLrzHpcl for ; Tue, 30 May 2023 21:25:38 +0000 (UTC) Content-Language: de-DE-frami, en-US X-purgate-type: clean X-purgate: clean X-purgate-size: 538 X-purgate-ID: 155817::1685481941-77FFE4F5-1AAB33BC/0/0 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=145.253.228.163; envelope-from=jschmidt4gnu@vodafonemail.de; helo=mr3.vodafonemail.de X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306427 Archived-At: This is related to https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2023-05/msg00327.html and bug#63627 I've opened to track progress. plstore.el stores clear-text sensitive data in a number of places in a running emacs without automatically expiring it as, for example, password-cache does. 1. As usually, fixing these decreases convenience. Is that OK? 2. Is fixing these considered a bug (relevant for emacs-29) even if it involves a bit more effort, possibly even new functions and variables? Thanks.