From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Lee Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up? Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: <873ajzwoqu.fsf@kobe.laptop> <823901dd-c54c-4e3b-b6ad-512d52724a46@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1221824494 26993 80.91.229.12 (19 Sep 2008 11:41:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:41:34 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 19 13:42:30 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KgeNX-0000hG-Aq for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:42:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39802 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KgeMT-0001sk-Q9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:41:21 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 54 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.185.159 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1221824052 10873 127.0.0.1 (19 Sep 2008 11:34:12 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:34:12 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.6.185.159; posting-account=qPxGtQkAAADb6PWdLGiWVucht1ZDR6fn User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.22, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:162445 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:57788 Archived-At: On Sep 19, 1:53 am, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Xah Lee > > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:50:50 -0700 (PDT) > > > * Emacs does not provide a user level function to create a new > > buffer. It has =E2=80=9COpen New file...=E2=80=9D, which actually creat= es a empty file > > and immediately prompt user for a file name. This is annoying. > > This is incorrect. No file is created on disk until you actually save > the buffer. Until then, only a buffer is created. Ok, my original phrasing is a bit off. Please focus on the main ideas. Here's a better phrasing: =E2=80=A2 Emacs does not provide a user level function to create a new buff= er. It has =E2=80=9COpen file...=E2=80=9D (a wrapper to the find-file command),= which immediately prompt user for a full file path. This is annoying. Modern apps's New File command actually just create a new untitled file without prompting, and only when user save it it prompt a file name. If user closes it, it prompts for saving. In newsgroup discussion, people tend to nick pick details and often give no acknowledgement even if they agree in general. So, if a criticism or idea X is posted in the thread's original post, often there will be several responses that nick pick details that are non- critical to the main idea. So, often, the thread becomes large and derailed and little critical discussion. > > I propose that emacs should also add a menu command =E2=80=9CNew buffer= =E2=80=9D, with > > the keyboard shortcut =E2=80=9CCtrl+n=E2=80=9D. Once called, it should = create a > > scratch buffer titled =E2=80=9Cuntitled=E2=80=9D. If one already exists= , append > > numbers such =E2=80=9Cuntitled 2=E2=80=9D. > > If I ever want a Notepad, I'd just launch that. I don't need Emacs to > emulate it. The issue here is not about whether one Eli Zaretskii wants Microsoft Notepad (assuming it is Microsoft Notepad you are talking about). Perhaps you are using the term =E2=80=9CNotepad=E2=80=9D as a general conce= pt. In that case, emacs's *scratch* buffer is also a notepad. So, i don't know what u mean except perhaps you are just fooling around. Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84