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From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
Cc: Philipp Stephani <phst@google.com>,
	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Add module functions to convert from and to big integers.
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 08:48:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bd21ddfc-e0fc-1834-8061-3d1eb74d9a20@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAArVCkShjomp+q7w935xw3EkamfUqgWAuwUxtkR9tADa_gSWGg@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/23/19 8:12 AM, Philipp Stephani wrote:
> I considered using GMP. However, it has quite a few downsides:
> - It would require making emacs-module.h dependent on GMP, even for
> users that don't use big integers. Right now it only depends on
> standard C, and I'd like to keep it that way.
> - It's unclear how well GMP is supported in other languages. mpz_t is
> a weird and unusual type, and other languages might not support it
> well in their C interface.
> - Other languages tend to have their own bigint support, so I don't
> think the advantages of using GMP directly are that big.

All true, though Emacs requires GMP anyway (one way or another) and it's
typically faster than the non-GMP approaches used in Python (and I
assume elsewhere).

Some of this depends on the importance of performance and convenience
when communicating between Emacs Lisp and GMP-using modules. If these
are unimportant then the current approach is OK. However, I'm thinking
that at least some users will view them as being important.

Could emacs-module.h expose to the user a GMP-style interface only if
the macro __GNU_MP_VERSION is defined? (Or we can choose our own macro
name if we don't want to require the user to include gmp.h before
emacs-module.h.) That way, users that don't use big integers won't need
to worry about GMP at all.

It might also be good (independently of having a GMP-style interface) to
expose just mp_limb_t to module code - we could give it another name and
put it into emacs-module.h as "typedef XXX bignum_limb_t;" where XXX is
either unsigned int, unsigned long int, or unsigned long long int, as
computed by 'configure'. This could avoid much of the overhead of
converting between GMP's representation and the unsigned char
representation.




  reply	other threads:[~2019-04-23 15:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-23 13:17 [PATCH 1/2] Add conversions to and from struct timespec to module interface Philipp Stephani
2019-04-23 13:17 ` [PATCH 2/2] Add module functions to convert from and to big integers Philipp Stephani
2019-04-23 14:30   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-23 14:51   ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-23 15:12     ` Philipp Stephani
2019-04-23 15:48       ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2019-04-23 15:54         ` Philipp Stephani
2019-11-02 19:17           ` Philipp Stephani
2019-11-03 19:38             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-13 18:46               ` Philipp Stephani
2019-11-17 18:38                 ` [PATCH] Change module interface to no longer use GMP objects directly Philipp Stephani
2019-11-18 21:21                   ` Paul Eggert
2019-11-19 21:12                     ` Philipp Stephani
2019-11-19 21:54                       ` Paul Eggert
2019-11-20 21:06                         ` Philipp Stephani
2019-11-20 21:24                           ` Paul Eggert
2019-11-20 21:30                             ` Philipp Stephani
2019-11-21  1:12                               ` Paul Eggert
2019-11-21 20:31                                 ` Philipp Stephani
2019-11-23  2:13                                   ` Paul Eggert
2019-11-23 20:08                                     ` Philipp Stephani
2019-11-23 23:10                                       ` Paul Eggert
2019-11-23 20:46                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-23 23:10                                       ` Paul Eggert
2019-11-24  9:28                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2019-11-25 21:03                                           ` Paul Eggert
2019-11-25 21:59                                             ` Philipp Stephani
2019-12-04 20:31                                               ` Philipp Stephani
2019-12-05 14:43                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-08 20:28                                                   ` Philipp Stephani
2019-12-09  3:26                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-09  4:58                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2019-12-09 13:22                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-09 23:15                                                       ` Philipp Stephani
2019-12-10  0:22                                                         ` Paul Eggert
2019-12-10 13:15                                                           ` Philipp Stephani
2019-12-10 15:57                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-14 16:06                                                             ` Philipp Stephani
2019-12-14 19:54                                                               ` Paul Eggert
2019-12-09  0:35                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2019-12-09 13:19                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-23 15:16 ` [PATCH 1/2] Add conversions to and from struct timespec to module interface Paul Eggert
2019-04-23 21:32   ` Philipp Stephani
     [not found]     ` <20190423213218.35618-2-phst@google.com>
2019-04-23 21:43       ` [PATCH 2/2] Add module functions to convert from and to big integers Paul Eggert
2019-04-24 16:03       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-24 16:37         ` Philipp Stephani
2019-04-24 16:51           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-24 16:57           ` Philipp Stephani
2019-04-24 17:11             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-24 17:15               ` Philipp Stephani
2019-04-24 17:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-24 17:28                   ` Philipp Stephani
2019-04-24 17:51                     ` [PATCH] Unbreak build when building without GMP support Philipp Stephani
2019-04-24 18:41                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-24 18:49                         ` Philipp Stephani
2019-04-24 19:06                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-24 19:19                             ` Philipp Stephani
2019-04-24 19:30                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-24 21:15                                 ` Philipp Stephani
2019-04-25  6:04                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25  6:39                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 10:24                                       ` Philipp Stephani
2019-04-24 21:34                       ` Philipp Stephani
2019-04-24 19:44                     ` [PATCH 2/2] Add module functions to convert from and to big integers Stefan Monnier
2019-04-24 20:15                       ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-24 20:57                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-24 21:17                           ` Philipp Stephani
2019-04-24 23:32                             ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-24 21:19                       ` Philipp Stephani
2019-04-25  0:00                         ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-25  5:33                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 10:41                             ` Philipp Stephani
2019-04-25 13:46                               ` [PATCH 1/2] Require full GMP when building module support Philipp Stephani
2019-04-25 13:46                                 ` [PATCH 2/2] Check for __attribute__ ((cleanup)) during configuration Philipp Stephani
2019-04-25 21:18                                   ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-28 18:12                                     ` Philipp Stephani
2019-04-25 14:37                                 ` [PATCH 1/2] Require full GMP when building module support Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 15:06                                   ` Philipp Stephani
2019-04-25 16:14                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 17:09                                       ` [PATCH] Require full GMP for big integer module functions Philipp Stephani
2019-04-25 21:00                                         ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-28 18:14                                           ` Philipp Stephani
2019-04-28 20:18                                             ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-28 17:10                                       ` [PATCH 1/2] Require full GMP when building module support Philipp Stephani
2019-04-24  7:21     ` [PATCH 1/2] Add conversions to and from struct timespec to module interface Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-24 11:03       ` Philipp Stephani
2019-04-24 11:44         ` Eli Zaretskii

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