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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>,
	Noam Postavsky <npostavs@users.sourceforge.net>
Cc: 29478@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#29478: 26.0.90; `C-h k' followed by mouse clicks no longer shows down event
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 20:33:00 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bbcb1d00-a728-4b5e-b65f-bd2b168c4a51@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171128221036.GC14868@ACM>

> > > The down mouse-button event is no longer listed along with the up
> > > event when you use `C-h k' with a click event.  Dunno whether this
> was
> > > by design or is an oversight.
> 
> I think if you press and hold the mouse button for (default) half a
> second, when you finally release it, C-h k will report the down mouse
> event.  At least this is how GPM behaves for me on a Linux tty.

Ah yes, thanks.  I see that now on MS Windows too.

> This seems to make sense, because anything bound to a down mouse
> event is going to be something like a drag event, where the mouse
> button is held for an extended period of time.

Sorry, no, I don't buy that.  I mean it's probably true that
most such bindings involve dragging.  But (1) a user who wants
to check what `mouse-N' does won't necessarily use it the same
way when checking with `C-h k' as when using it for its real
purpose.  And (2) the problem with this is that it is not
easily discoverable.

I've used Emacs for quite a while.  OK, I expected both up and
down to be documented.  But even I would likely never have
thought to hold the button pressed for a long time before
releasing, just to see what `C-h k' had to tell me.

If there is no other solution, then I suppose we could live
with this.  But in that case it should be called out in NEWS,
I think.  And if there is a possibility of restoring the
longstanding behavior then I think we should first try for that.

> > Looks like oversight.  Possibly related to Bug#29272.  The following
> > seems to fix it for me, but I'm having trouble convincing myself that
> > it's the right thing...
> 
> > Alan, I believe you've been working on this code recently, any
> thoughts?
> 
> That I'm redoing some of the underlying C code after a suboptimal patch
> some days ago, and this seems to have some effect on the mouse events
> reported for C-h c and C-h k.
> 
> Eli has already reported that the proposed negation of that condition
> would break the patch and lead to annoying infinite loops with mouse
> events.
> 
> I think this code still may have some way to go before reaching its
> final state.

Thanks for still taking a look and trying to work this out.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-11-29  4:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-27 23:21 bug#29478: 26.0.90; `C-h k' followed by mouse clicks no longer shows down event Drew Adams
2017-11-28  1:50 ` Noam Postavsky
2017-11-28 17:11   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-28 22:10   ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-11-29  0:44     ` Noam Postavsky
2017-11-29  3:36       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-29  4:33     ` Drew Adams [this message]
2017-12-01  8:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-09 17:18         ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-23 14:28         ` bug#29478: [Patch 2]: " Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-23 14:48           ` Andreas Schwab
2017-12-24  8:43             ` Alan Mackenzie
     [not found]   ` <<20171128221036.GC14868@ACM>
     [not found]     ` <<bbcb1d00-a728-4b5e-b65f-bd2b168c4a51@default>
     [not found]       ` <<83o9ni3l3i.fsf@gnu.org>
2017-12-01 15:35         ` Drew Adams
2017-12-01 16:51           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-09 16:13             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-09 17:23               ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-22 22:05               ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-23  9:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-23 11:17                   ` bug#29478: [Patch] " Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-23 12:41                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-23 16:33                     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-23 21:04                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-24  4:55                         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-24  5:41                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-24  6:52                         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-24 11:48                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-24 15:41                             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-30 10:50                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-03  3:56                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-06 17:40                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-07 15:31                                 ` bug#29478: [SUSPECTED SPAM] " Stefan Monnier
2018-01-07 17:46                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-07 18:03                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-26 22:00                                 ` bug#29478: " Stefan Monnier
2018-01-26 22:37                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-27  8:28                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-28 16:02                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-28 17:18                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-29 21:54                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-30  3:23                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-30 14:18                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-30 15:40                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-30 16:59                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-27  7:59                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-30 10:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-30 11:32                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-30 12:49                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-23 16:19             ` bug#29478: " Stefan Monnier
2020-08-26 13:43 ` bug#29478: 26.0.90; " Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-26 17:12   ` Drew Adams

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