From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Barry Margolin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: page-at-a-time output for M-x shell Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:12:34 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <30a09a22-cd05-44b6-9b82-8a7e6c1796d5@x3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> <7bf1883b-3184-487c-a5a4-675f3e117342@l2g2000vba.googlegroups.com> <85269090-af0d-43fa-bd49-da265cbac558@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> <3c2b0d8c-2d31-45f0-8eda-1af2320d8cf5@j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> <0eab476b-cd5f-444d-b2af-d82ac076e73b@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1247542848 14285 80.91.229.12 (14 Jul 2009 03:40:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:40:48 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 14 05:40:42 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MQYsj-0006h6-O9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:40:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53957 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MQYsj-0000EJ-5i for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:40:41 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!news2.glorb.com!feeder.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 31 Original-X-Trace: news.eternal-september.org U2FsdGVkX19pTmQNbJW7++/PVomHWwAbT5GiqPwXgmnyWTBv/ms3hjq2RracbAMfQIYKiSzb7LWhRj+P5BCK8+jnpa/64hsXRKn4IKDJ1AJ9MXT7tvHOr3C1dCmMIqZNrHirizFw3Lo= Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@eternal-september.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:18:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19/IsTriI0nomIBi0/tOmiiTnWVH5K5U7g= Cancel-Lock: sha1:qRZjRgjmwjKEQQ/x5RWjoB4yy1I= User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.3b3 (Intel Mac OS X) Mail-Copies-To: nobody Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:170853 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:66049 Archived-At: In article <0eab476b-cd5f-444d-b2af-d82ac076e73b@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com>, Francis Moreau wrote: > On Jul 13, 11:04 am, Peter Dyballa wrote: > > Am 13.07.2009 um 10:03 schrieb Francis Moreau: > > > > > I never claim to have a splendid idea. I just found weird that this is > > > not offered by M-x shell, whereas it is by M-x term... > > > > The one offers an environment to run a shell interpreter   > > interactively in it, > > OK, so what am I supposed to run in this shell interpreter ? > > I can understand that I can't start mutt or any other appli that needs > all term environment in M-x shell, but the feature I'm asking is not > specific to term emulation, it's just a goodies to make life easier > when reading the _text_ output of any commands I start from this shell > interpreter. Why do you need a pager, when the Emacs shell buffer allows you to page back and forward through the output, search it, etc.? What can you do in a pager that you can't do with Emacs's own features? And if there is something Emacs is missing, it should be easy to add it. -- Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me *** *** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group ***