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From: Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?"
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:19:15 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <barmar-82B068.17191530072013@news.eternal-september.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87a9l4rs76.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se

In article <87a9l4rs76.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se>,
 Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> wrote:

> Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
> 
> >> depends on how you use spreadsheets. Summing a column is not
> >> programming, but yes, there is a second page, or sheet, to
> >> spreadsheets.

You can also put "IF" expressions in cells.

> >
> > Same as "writing (setq smie-indent-basic 8)" is not programming,
> > indeed.
> 
> No, but that is not the Elisp of Emacs I speak of, when I speak of
> the Elisp of Emacs. That's just an interface, albeit a good one,
> to specify settings.

The very first program I wrote was a BASIC program that was just a bunch 
of PRINT statements, to make some simple ASCII art (it was the command 
insignia from ST:TOS).  Was I not programming, just because it was a 
simple, linear set of statements? I "taught" the computer to do 
something it couldn't previously do. I know it was trivial, but you have 
to start somewhere.

I think that almost anything that tells the computer to perform a set of 
operations can be considered programming. Some programs are more complex 
than others, and some programmers have more skills and know how to make 
the computer jump through more hoops.

It's like many other skills. If someone only knows how to play 
"Chopsticks" on the piano, they're still making music. They're not going 
to get hired as a professional musician, though.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***


  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-30 21:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-29 13:05 Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?" Emanuel Berg
2013-07-29 14:46 ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-30 10:10   ` Chris Van Dusen
     [not found]   ` <mailman.2115.1375179046.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-30 22:09     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found] ` <mailman.2028.1375109070.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-29 15:37   ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-29 16:01     ` Phillip Lord
2013-07-30  6:27     ` Luca Ferrari
2013-07-30 15:22       ` Aurélien DESBRIÈRES
2013-07-30 15:31       ` Aurélien DESBRIÈRES
     [not found]       ` <mailman.2162.1375198972.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-30 16:44         ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-30 18:08           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 18:01         ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 11:38     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]     ` <mailman.2041.1375113728.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-30 11:47       ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]     ` <mailman.2077.1375165681.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-30 11:56       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-29 19:38   ` Barry Margolin
2013-07-30 12:00     ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 12:27       ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-30 14:59         ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 15:08           ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]           ` <mailman.2155.1375196921.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-30 15:19             ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 21:19               ` Barry Margolin [this message]
2013-07-30 21:33                 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-31  4:47                 ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-31  6:23                   ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-31 18:11                   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-31 19:19                     ` drain
2013-07-31 19:20                     ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-01 14:39                       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-01 15:21                         ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-01 15:27                           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-01 15:42                           ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.2318.1375371796.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-01 16:08                             ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-01 16:43                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2013-08-01 16:44                               ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.2323.1375375948.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-01 20:48                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-03  1:01                                   ` drain
     [not found]                                   ` <mailman.2414.1375491715.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-03 10:55                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-04 21:23                                       ` drain
     [not found]                                       ` <mailman.2487.1375651440.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-05  8:36                                         ` LaTeX (was: Re: Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?") Emanuel Berg
2013-08-01 16:31                             ` Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?" Emanuel Berg
2013-08-01 16:18                           ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.2321.1375374479.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-01 16:33                             ` Barry Margolin
2013-08-01 17:52                               ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-01 16:41                             ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.2251.1375298397.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-01 14:17                       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-01 15:19                         ` Luca Ferrari
2013-08-01 18:40                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-08-01 20:28                       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 15:34           ` Phillip Lord
2013-07-31  0:47           ` gottlieb
     [not found]           ` <mailman.2161.1375198462.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-30 16:53             ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-31  0:49             ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-31 12:10               ` Phillip Lord
2013-07-31 14:42                 ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]               ` <mailman.2222.1375272627.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-01  7:40                 ` R development environment Sebastien Vauban
2013-08-01 10:44                   ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]           ` <mailman.2194.1375231670.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-31  0:51             ` Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?" Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 21:50         ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 10:10   ` Emanuel Berg

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