From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Barry Margolin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 10:50:20 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <87fv77barj.fsf@gnu.org> <87zj5fgpd8.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431096919 19156 80.91.229.3 (8 May 2015 14:55:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 14:55:19 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 08 16:55:19 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YqjgN-0005gf-32 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 16:55:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56224 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YqjgM-0000ni-GS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 10:55:18 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!us.feeder.erje.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!barmar.motzarella.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 28 Injection-Info: barmar.motzarella.org; posting-host="2be9e9f5dd9af768b8861af71b85fc28"; logging-data="2197"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+C5P5H3RqcAXoOWAFY7Xwu" User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.3b3 (Intel Mac OS X) Cancel-Lock: sha1:4y9V/OnpvhYh4Uv0WNbBBWcIHMk= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:212016 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:104300 Archived-At: In article , Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) > > Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 14:39:31 +0100 > > > > > The best way to learn emacs is the tutorial (C-h t). > > > > I wish this were true. Actually, the tutorial is not a good > > introduction to emacs. It's over 200 lines before you get off "how to > > move the cursor around". > > No, it isn't, not in my Emacs. It mentions PageUp/PageDown on line 65 > and arrow keys on line 76. Subtract 15 lines of typographic > conventions and 13 more lines "left blank for didactic purposes", and > you get 37 and 48 lines to read until one sees these truisms -- a far > cry from 200. Aren't those part of moving the cursor around? Maybe you misunderstood him, he said that you have to read more than 200 lines until you learn something OTHER THAN how to move the cursor around. Line 263 (on my admittedly old version 22.3) is where it finally says "WHEN EMACS IS HUNG", the first non-movement section. -- Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***