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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>,
	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: Should mode commands be idempotent?
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:58:23 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b8ac2adc-6339-4ac5-9556-e03686804539@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAArVCkS=SCpniiaf_WuruLRhqCWiORKHus4cff=w++8_GSpQ2w@mail.gmail.com>

> I think it's generally expected that mode commands (both major and
> minor) are reasonably idempotent, i.e. calling them twice should
> have the same effects as calling them once (unless using 'toggle,
> of course).  However, I couldn't find this requirement in the manual,
> should it be added to the "Modes" section?

It is perhaps typical; i.e., perhaps most modes have that
property.  But I don't see why it "should" be true of modes.
Why should it be a "requirement" or a convention?

People can use a mode for whatever they want.  A mode can
do anything its author wants it to do.  I see that as a
good thing, not a bad thing.

What's the use case for such a restriction?  If it's to
allow for easier program analysis or something, it should
be enough to let people know (if appropriate) that if a
mode is not idempotent then it might be more difficult to
reason about its behavior.  (But reasoning about Lisp
behavior is anyway not something simple - Lisp is not
Haskell.)

The fact that most modes are likely idempotent should be
enough, I think.  Most mode writers don't go out of their
way to make a mode act differently if it is turned on more
than once.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-09-19 22:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-19 19:58 Should mode commands be idempotent? Philipp Stephani
2017-09-19 22:10 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-09-19 22:29   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-20  7:24     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-09-20 14:52       ` John Wiegley
2017-09-20 22:30         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-20 23:05           ` Drew Adams
2017-10-08 15:09         ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-20 22:25       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-23  8:16         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-09-23 14:17           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-23 20:37             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-19 22:58 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2017-09-20  3:10   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-20 17:52     ` Drew Adams
2017-09-21  1:11       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-21  5:22         ` Drew Adams
2017-09-21 18:28           ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]         ` <<9f11a3c6-b113-4bf6-9dab-f894b2ad77b5@default>
     [not found]           ` <<E1dv6D1-0006Jr-Fl@fencepost.gnu.org>
2017-09-22 15:54             ` Drew Adams
2017-09-23  0:39               ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-23  8:05               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-09-24 17:26                 ` Drew Adams
2017-09-25  7:03                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-09-25 13:57                     ` Drew Adams
2017-09-26  0:36                       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-26  3:30                         ` John Wiegley
2017-09-26 17:55                           ` Drew Adams
2017-09-26 18:01                             ` John Wiegley
2017-09-26 18:50                               ` Drew Adams
2017-09-26 18:54                                 ` John Wiegley
2017-10-08 15:28                                   ` Philipp Stephani
2017-10-08 19:04                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-10-10  2:10                                       ` John Wiegley
2017-12-21 20:49                                       ` Philipp Stephani
2017-12-22  2:20                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-10-10 23:15                                   ` Herring, Davis
     [not found]               ` <<E1dvYUB-0007na-Mx@fencepost.gnu.org>
2017-09-24 17:26                 ` Drew Adams
2017-09-25 22:06                   ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-19 23:50 ` John Wiegley
2017-09-20  3:09   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-20 13:01 ` Richard Stallman

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