From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#17362: 24.4.50; inconsistent key notation: `ESC' vs `' Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 08:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <47b1a857-a5d6-4e5a-b8f6-f96f9e201c89@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1398698834 8621 80.91.229.3 (28 Apr 2014 15:27:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:27:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 17362@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dani Moncayo Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 28 17:27:06 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WenSQ-00079u-0Y for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 17:27:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44511 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WenSP-0007tg-Fd for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:27:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34841) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WenRZ-0006Gu-SQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:26:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WenRS-0008Lq-8e for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:26:09 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:54897) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WenRS-0008LE-6N for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:26:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WenRR-00073Q-P5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:26:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 17362 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 17362-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B17362.139869875927107 (code B ref 17362); Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:26:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 17362) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Apr 2014 15:25:59 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44015 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WenRO-000738-45 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:25:58 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:34775) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WenRL-00072s-Kr for 17362@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:25:57 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s3SFPmYe020215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:25:49 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s3SFPlj9028454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:25:48 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s3SFPlGp011883; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:25:47 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:88357 Archived-At: > > Emacs manual: contrast node `Menu Bar' with node `Quitting'. The forme= r > > writes `ESC ESC ESC'; the latter writes ` '. > > > > IMO, the former is preferable. (Note that (kbd "ESC") and (kbd ""= ) > > both act the same, however.) >=20 > I'd also prefer "ESC" over "" but then other strings like > "", "", "" or "" should also be changed > accordingly. Yes, FWIW, IMO they should be. But this bug will be fixed if things are made consistent either way. Oh, and BTW there are also inconsistencies for those others, including in nodes: `CUA Bindings', `Misc File Ops', `File Conveniences', `Filesets', `Speedbar', `Bidirectional Editing', `Other C Commands', `Image Dired', `Printing Package', `MS-DOS Printing', `Help Mode', `Rectangles', `Special Isearch', `Regexp Search', `Keyboard Macro Step-Edit', `Marks vs Flags', `Counting Days', `General Calendar', `HTML Mode', `Windows Keyboard'. [A related bug?: `' in nodes `Hungry Delete', `MS-DOS Keyboard', and `Glossary'. Is `' what is meant here? Likewise, you can find occurrences of `' instead of `'.] And of course there is the way that Emacs itself writes such keys in its help. See, e.g., node `International Chars'. Sometimes Emacs writes `' when it communicates with users; sometimes it writes `RET'. [IMO - but this has been rejected by Emacs Dev more than once - there is=20 NEVER any reason to use the angle-bracket notation - it was misguided to introduce it at all. And in my own libraries I make it optional whether Emacs uses angle brackets or not (as far as Lisp is concerned). For example, library `naked.el' provides an alternative to `kbd' that lets you choose the format. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs-en/NaKeD, http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs-en/naked.el]