From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Dmitri Minaev" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Soliciting Recommendations for a Mail Client Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:43:46 +0500 Message-ID: References: <20080404021252.GB67048@slim.pmade.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1207647877 14015 80.91.229.12 (8 Apr 2008 09:44:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: "Reiner Steib" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 08 11:45:08 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JjANw-0007py-Vl for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:45:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjANJ-00065B-IS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:44:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjAMp-000628-2o for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:43:51 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjAMn-00060g-OJ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:43:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjAMn-00060T-JY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:43:49 -0400 Original-Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.225]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JjAMn-0005PT-Cq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:43:49 -0400 Original-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s7so1791962wxc.24 for ; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:43:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=QT1VQSiLVyvFQaKhHze3l1f+9jvrKtOitzJrxi9k+UM=; b=wuHifT6Wsap4TurfRB5fajdm22Ukn62jbLMoxfdu4RgjzAlkLu/DXYwUB4wV3u1pe/+YPzjo5bdIFXGUkGyrfumO889Rc1iej53cObvO2z4w6CdBUgxTq6/rWERSAsmiVPtSzZf0Acykq2oPgbokKvOj45+a6tvzhh6Gl5NgJgE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fOVZJ97nmCqhGHiTq12I2H6D/fF65okd9/ZWFAPOcluqsEFqP4cU7xwy2WSLetGazQQwAcL7C14pF3DZV5oS+5PU9OHau97z6A3vhOyoOiO1HZFUmOMkHr+DERrhnJ+cKcihKnvz4r2j+sE6HLHyIFEeqvMv7f/65Wh02awVfI0= Original-Received: by 10.141.63.20 with SMTP id q20mr1911623rvk.291.1207647826364; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.141.185.1 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 02:43:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:53158 Archived-At: On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Reiner Steib wrote: > On Mon, Apr 07 2008, Dmitri Minaev wrote: > > > I found the approach used by Gnus too original and chose Wanderlust. > > What does "too original" mean? "If you are used to traditional mail readers, but have decided to switch to reading mail with Gnus, you may find yourself experiencing something of a culture shock," says the manual, and a shock it was. "Gnus, by default, handles all its groups using the same approach. This approach is very newsreaderly--you enter a group, see the new/unread messages, and when you read the messages, they get marked as read, and you don't see them any more." I know that if I forced myself into using Gnus for a month or two, I would've got used to this approach, but I found no real reasons to do so. I couldn't find the mail I needed, then they suddenly sprang up, then my mailbox was full, then I gave up. I use Gnus as a very good newsreader, the best I know, but for mail I have tools that suit me better :) > Huh? You don't need any setup with regards to charsets in Gnus at all > (at least if you use a current version of Emacs, i.e. Emacs 22). If > some special complicated settings are necessary, please report it as a > bug. It's not a bug. Or, even if it is, it's a conceptual bug of the Russophone internet. There are three encodings used for Cyrillic alphabet, besides UTF-8. Some newsgroups require me to use one of them and some mail recipients want me to send mail in other encodings. My .gnus file sets 9 variables and calls 1 function to make Gnus work as I want it to. I confess that this setup was inherited from Emacs 19 or 20, if my memory serves well, but I'm afraid of changing anything :). In .wl file, the equivalent setup required 4 variables and 1 function call. -- With best regards, Dmitri Minaev Russian history blog: http://minaev.blogspot.com