From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: turning off the fringe. Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:14:25 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Public Access Networks Corp. Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1048742229 23838 80.91.224.249 (27 Mar 2003 05:17:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:17:09 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 27 06:17:08 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18yPlD-0006CL-00 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:17:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18yPjg-00048i-08 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 00:15:32 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 62 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com Original-X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1048742065 18433 166.84.1.3 (27 Mar 2003 05:14:25 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:14:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test74 (May 26, 2000) Originator: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:111443 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:7943 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:7943 In article , ali rahimi wrote: > >I run two emacs frames side by side, ... Why two frames? Why not just two (emacs) "windows" -- via C-x 3. Then do M-x follow-mode, so that when you have the same buffer in both (side-by-side) windows, the one on the left will "wrap around" to the top of the one on its right. For fun, do *another* C-x 3. ---- Maybe this is just a vocabulary problem; emacs has its own terminology for what you'd normally call a window, likewise for a frame. In emacs, which was written *before* GUIs existed (except at maybe Xeroc Parc), emacs earlier versions worked on terminals that could run things like vi (which probably didn't exist then either) -- I mean where the cursor could be told to jump to position x,y, things like that. C-x 2 would (and still does) split the screen into an upper and lower piece -- and the name used (coined?) for each of those was "window". Then along came GUIs, and they used the term window for, you know, a window. Sometime in there, rms added to emacs the ability to add 2nd, 3rd, ... "GUI-windows" to the same emacs session, each of which could be split C-x 2 or 3, shared buffer-data, and so on. Terminology was needed for use *within emacs* for these 2nd, 3rd, things, and the name "frame" was given to each one. Like the guy who found out he'd been speaking "prose" all his life, the emacs user had been using, at least in a gui environment, a "frame", but until the ability to have more of one at a time (for a single emacs), the user didn't know that terminology. ---- I'm probably all wrong -- but it's a try, anyway. David