From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: "Garreau, Alexandre" <galex-713@galex-713.eu>
Cc: Yuri Khan <yurivkhan@gmail.com>,
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Why is there no `until' in elisp?
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 15:33:03 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b59bcc65-abc8-8d3f-a1bd-b250565b1b56@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87woqg5jm7.fsf@portable.galex-713.eu>
On 10/17/18 2:49 PM, Garreau, Alexandre wrote:
> Le 17/10/2018 à 14h35, Paul Eggert a écrit :
>> On 10/17/18 2:15 PM, Garreau, Alexandre wrote:
>>> “while” as used in natural language does *not* mean the same thing
>> […] And the same is true for "until".
> How’s that?
In English, "until Y do X" typically means "keep checking Y while you're
doing X and stop the instant that Y becomes true". This means something
different from the proposed (until Y X), for the same reason that the
common meaning of "while Y do X" in English means something different
from (while Y X).
>
> I find “until” be a lot more used in all the languages I
> know, including english.
Although that might be true in other languages, it's certainly not true
of English. Google, for example, reports about 8 billion hits for
"while" but only 2 billion for "until". Admittedly Google hit counts are
only vaguely approximate, but still....
>
> The most obvious and only implementation of `unless', I ever seen *until
> now* is (while (not cond) body)
"unless" is something different from "until". Anyway, we're not making
much progress here; feel free to have the last word.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-10-17 22:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-10-16 17:42 Why is there no `until' in elisp? Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-16 19:16 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-10-16 19:31 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-16 20:23 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-10-16 23:00 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-19 15:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-16 21:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-17 0:12 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-17 2:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-17 9:14 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-17 15:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-17 16:51 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-19 15:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-19 18:08 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-17 8:04 ` Yuri Khan
2018-10-17 9:23 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-17 9:46 ` Yuri Khan
2018-10-17 11:06 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-17 17:50 ` Paul Eggert
2018-10-17 21:15 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-17 21:35 ` Paul Eggert
2018-10-17 21:49 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-17 22:33 ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2018-10-17 22:54 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-17 12:41 ` Elias Mårtenson
2018-10-17 15:03 ` Stefan Monnier
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