From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: Van L <van@scratch.space>
Cc: 20202@debbugs.gnu.org, Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@russet.org.uk>,
20484@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
Emacs-Devel devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: bug#20484: EMACS=t Joy and Happiness
Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 10:59:23 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b5969fa7-bec4-ee64-7085-e8cc1b509b80__33694.3969633014$1527271125$gmane$org@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D5C20BA1-A158-4A79-851A-7C57EBB58868@scratch.space>
On 05/24/2018 07:25 PM, Van L wrote:
> Ask them for what Tesla or Uber or Facebook or Google use
I just checked the first company mentioned on your list (Tesla) and it
is posting want-ads that ask for Red Hat expertise. Unfortunately I
can't disclose what I privately know about Tesla, but suffice it to say
that like most other successful companies they use a wide variety of
systems in their work, and not all of these systems are the very latest
version of everything.
> I can understand the excuse for long-term-support system contracts but not for the poster’s student environment.
>
> You refer to lazy privileged people
I'm afraid there's a misunderstanding here. At UCLA we have a wide
variety of systems running many different OSes. Servers at UCLA run many
operating systems; it's quite a gamut, as we have a lot of departments
and research groups, most of which focus on areas other than computer
science and who have a lot of software of varying quality that they
don't necessarily have time or budget to upgrade or maintain
extensively. The courses I teach are assigned to a batch of RHEL 7
servers that support many different courses, not just mine. I do not
specify or maintain the server OSes; that's a responsibility of the
operations staff of the School of Engineering, and they're busy people
who do not report to me.
To help keep my course material up-to-date I install copies of the
latest released versions of Emacs (currently 25.3), Bash (currently
4.4.19), and many other free software programs. (I don't overwrite
/usr/bin of course; I install into a separate directory that students
put into their PATH settings.) So it'll be little trouble to me or my
students if Emacs requires Bash 4.4 or later. When I mentioned RHEL 7, I
wasn't simply talking about my personal situation; I was observing that
requiring Bash 4.4 would be a hassle for people installing newer Emacs
versions onto Red Hat servers, as it would require these people to also
install newer Bash versions. If it's important for Emacs to require Bash
4.4 of course Emacs can do so; still, I expect that the overall hassle
to Emacs users of requiring Bash 4.4 still outweighs the relatively
minor technical benefit in question. Sorry, but that's how things often
work in production software.
With all this in mind you might want to rethink your comments that among
other things seem to imply that the staff at UCLA consists of "lazy
privileged people".
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-05-25 17:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-05-24 20:46 EMACS=t Joy and Happiness Phillip Lord
2018-05-24 20:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-24 20:52 ` bug#20202: " Stefan Monnier
2018-05-24 22:03 ` Paul Eggert
2018-05-24 22:03 ` Paul Eggert
2018-05-25 2:25 ` bug#20202: " Van L
2018-05-25 6:11 ` bug#20484: " Ricardo Wurmus
2018-05-25 6:11 ` bug#20202: " Ricardo Wurmus
2018-05-25 6:11 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-05-25 7:12 ` Van L
2018-05-25 17:59 ` Paul Eggert
2018-05-26 0:17 ` Van L
2018-05-26 7:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-26 10:07 ` Van L
2018-05-26 10:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-26 0:43 ` Van L
2018-05-25 17:59 ` bug#20202: " Paul Eggert
2018-05-25 17:59 ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2018-05-25 6:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-25 6:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-25 7:28 ` Van L
2018-05-25 8:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-26 0:01 ` Van L
2018-05-25 8:02 ` bug#20484: " Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-25 8:02 ` bug#20202: " Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-25 7:28 ` Van L
2018-05-25 7:28 ` bug#20484: " Van L
2018-05-25 17:50 ` Paul Eggert
2018-05-25 6:16 ` bug#20484: " Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-25 22:34 ` Phillip Lord
2018-05-24 22:03 ` Paul Eggert
2018-05-25 20:36 ` Paul Eggert
2018-05-25 22:49 ` bug#20202: " Phillip Lord
2018-05-26 7:20 ` bug#20484: " Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-26 20:54 ` Paul Eggert
2018-05-26 20:54 ` Paul Eggert
2018-05-31 21:07 ` bug#20202: " Phillip Lord
2018-05-31 23:45 ` Paul Eggert
2018-06-01 1:56 ` bug#20202: " Stefan Monnier
2018-06-01 1:56 ` bug#20484: " Stefan Monnier
2018-06-01 1:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-06-01 7:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-01 14:08 ` bug#20202: " Paul Eggert
2018-06-01 14:08 ` bug#20484: " Paul Eggert
2018-06-01 14:08 ` Paul Eggert
2018-06-01 14:14 ` bug#20484: " Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-14 20:54 ` Paul Eggert
2018-06-14 20:54 ` Paul Eggert
2018-06-14 20:54 ` bug#20202: " Paul Eggert
2018-06-01 7:04 ` bug#20484: " Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-01 7:04 ` bug#20202: " Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-31 23:45 ` bug#20484: " Paul Eggert
2018-05-31 23:45 ` bug#20202: " Paul Eggert
2018-05-26 20:54 ` Paul Eggert
2018-05-25 20:36 ` bug#20484: " Paul Eggert
2018-05-25 20:36 ` bug#20202: " Paul Eggert
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