From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Katsumi Yamaoka Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#35383: 27.0.50; Complete process of decoding Gnus group names Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 17:08:24 +0900 Organization: Emacsen advocacy group Message-ID: References: <878sw1995f.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87sgu87ayo.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87k1fj49o2.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bm0uhxqy.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <83ftq5xnoh.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="131777"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-cygwin) Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, 35383@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 26 10:09:21 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hJvv7-000Y9z-47 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 26 Apr 2019 10:09:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42690 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hJvv6-0007P8-41 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 26 Apr 2019 04:09:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38498) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hJvuv-0007Nz-IM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Apr 2019 04:09:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hJvut-0005Ix-JY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Apr 2019 04:09:09 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46415) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hJvuo-0005B7-I6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Apr 2019 04:09:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hJvuo-0000aJ-Cj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Apr 2019 04:09:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <878sw1995f.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Resent-From: Katsumi Yamaoka Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 08:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 35383 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 35383-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B35383.15562661212204 (code B ref 35383); Fri, 26 Apr 2019 08:09:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 35383) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2019 08:08:41 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59957 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hJvuT-0000ZU-CX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Apr 2019 04:08:41 -0400 Original-Received: from bonobo.maple.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.214.22]:32116) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hJvuR-0000ZM-V6 for 35383@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Apr 2019 04:08:40 -0400 X-Sender-Id: tih5qno0ow|x-authuser|yamaoka@hampton.hostforweb.net Original-Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9BB56A1AA2; Fri, 26 Apr 2019 08:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from hampton.hostforweb.net (100-96-2-149.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.2.149]) (Authenticated sender: tih5qno0ow) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 94A7F6A1F0D; Fri, 26 Apr 2019 08:08:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: tih5qno0ow|x-authuser|yamaoka@hampton.hostforweb.net Original-Received: from hampton.hostforweb.net ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [172.245.115.217]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.2); Fri, 26 Apr 2019 08:08:37 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: tih5qno0ow|x-authuser|yamaoka@hampton.hostforweb.net X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: tih5qno0ow X-Stupid-Cure: 00b65077190587d3_1556266117373_3953510374 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1556266117373:863393742 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1556266117373 Original-Received: from s70.gtokyofl21.vectant.ne.jp ([202.215.75.70]:60000 helo=localhost) by hampton.hostforweb.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1hJvuG-004aKS-FO; Fri, 26 Apr 2019 03:08:30 -0500 X-Face: #kKnN,xUnmKia.'[pp`; Omh}odZK)?7wQSl"4o04=EixTF+V[""w~iNbM9ZL+.b*_CxUmFk B#Fu[*?MZZH@IkN:!"\w%I_zt>[$nm7nQosZ<3eu; B:$Q_:p!',P.c0-_Cy[dz4oIpw0ESA^D*1Lw= L&i*6&( Cancel-Lock: sha1:xOcCKY9ub2BjDDiCsNCmSNzs4R8= X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 X-AuthUser: yamaoka@hampton.hostforweb.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:158275 Archived-At: On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 09:53:18 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 14:21:11 +0900 >> From: Katsumi Yamaoka >> Cc: 35383@debbugs.gnu.org [...] >> Therefore, adding a coding cookie was originally unnecessary, >> wasn't it? > It is not unnecessary, because that file could be visited normally in > Emacs. So even if you have to bind coding-system-for-read for some > reason (and I admit I don't understand the reasons very well, and in > particular this will not affect 'read' or any other primitive that > is supposed to be reading from an already decoded buffer/string), > there are still valid reasons to have the cookie in the file. Well, I don't know why the active files need a coding cookie, but what adds it is `gnus-write-active-file' that only gnus-agent and gnus-cache use; `nnmail-save-active' that many mail back ends use does not add a coding cookie. Even so, I have no trouble with my nnml active file that contains non-ASCII group names. The file is utf-8 encoded and it is Emacs' default (IIUC), so I cannot think any reason why the cookie is required. (Just in case, we're talking about the gnus-decoded branch.) Anyway, the error that at least the nnnil active file causes should be fixed in some way. Regards,