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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::32b X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120507 Archived-At: On 17.05.2019 18:22, Óscar Fuentes wrote: > But that type of instant gratification require previous effort (learning > that doing those things is possible, to begin with.) Still, that doesn't mean that we're free from making the amount of effort this takes arbitrarily hard, or that we shouldn't make it easier when possible. > The instant > gratification that I refer to consists on installing the éditeur de > texte du jour, "oh, looks nice", poke it for a minute and decide that it > is okay for you and be happy thereafter, or until you eventually become > tired/annoyed enough and then select a replacement by the same criteria. That seems like a strawman. A lot of smart, thoughtful professionals use other editors as well.