From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rusi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: if vs. when vs. and: style question now Unicode Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 09:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <87sicvwckx.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> <87wq27yvqg.fsf@debian.uxu> <8d531e99-7260-4263-ac99-09c6871e2708@googlegroups.com> <87vbhq53lf.fsf@debian.uxu> <87a8z23p23.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87lhilx0cf.fsf@debian.uxu> <87twx9360u.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <0d1d19ab-06e9-462d-8867-9a49b1e232d3@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1427299540 12495 80.91.229.3 (25 Mar 2015 16:05:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 16:05:40 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 25 17:05:32 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yannz-0005cs-Mi for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 17:05:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40079 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yanny-00039j-J2 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 12:05:18 -0400 X-Received: by 10.42.209.135 with SMTP id gg7mr32395445icb.9.1427299366781; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 09:02:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.110.101 with SMTP id hz5mr437016igb.6.1427299366750; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 09:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!z20no3190711igj.0!news-out.google.com!db6ni62798igc.0!nntp.google.com!z20no4863912igj.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=117.195.49.60; posting-account=mBpa7woAAAAGLEWUUKpmbxm-Quu5D8ui Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 117.195.49.60 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Injection-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 16:02:46 +0000 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:211045 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:103326 Archived-At: On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 9:16:21 PM UTC+5:30, Dan Espen wrote: > Rusi writes: >=20 > > On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 8:22:28 PM UTC+5:30, Dan Espen wrote: > >> Rusi writes: > >>=20 > >> > On a different note... > >> > For 50 years CS has been living in the impoverished world of ASCII. > >> > This makes people think CS and math are more far apart than they ess= entially/really are. > >> > > >> > I wrote this as my wish for python: > >> > http://blog.languager.org/2014/04/unicoded-python.html > >> > Isn't it about time lisp also considered a similar line? > >>=20 > >> I can't type it, I sure don't want to see it in source code. > > > > Strange to see that comment on an emacs-list! >=20 > I've been using Emacs since the 70s. >=20 > > I guess the same comment would have been made 50 years ago when C came = out > > and Fortran/Cobol programmers could not find lower case on card-punch m= achines > > > > [There are things called input-methods in particular tex-input method]= =C2=B9 > > > > > > Yes, unicode has more mis-understandings than understanding (currently) > > See > > > > http://blog.languager.org/2015/02/universal-unicode.html for the plus > > http://blog.languager.org/2015/03/whimsical-unicode.html for the minus > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > =C2=B9 I prefer X-based input methods; eg after > > $ setxkbmap -layout "us,gr" -option "grp:caps_toggle,grp_led:caps" > > > > the CAPSLOCK becomes a 'greeklock' ie after pressing CAPSLOCK > > abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz > > produces > > =CE=B1=CE=B2=CF=88=CE=B4=CE=B5=CF=86=CE=B3=CE=B7=CE=B9=CE=BE=CE=BA=CE= =BB=CE=BC=CE=BD=CE=BF=CF=80;=CF=81=CF=83=CF=84=CE=B8=CF=89=CF=82=CF=87=CF= =85=CE=B6 >=20 > That's pretty neat. > But I don't know the Greek alphabet and if someone started sprinkling > Greek in my source code, I'd want a damn good explanation. Greek was given as an example >=20 > There are thousands of these crazy symbols and around 100 keys on my > keyboard. Only a few of those keys have more than 1 label. 1 million+ codepoints Greater 100,000 in use >=20 > How am I supposed to remember how to type all this stuff? You are asking a rhetorical question... If you are asking genuinely: http://blog.languager.org/2015/01/unicode-and-universe.html explains what's wrong with sticking to the obsolete penury-of-ASCII http://blog.languager.org/2015/02/universal-unicode.html suggests that if mapping a million chars onto a 100-char keyboard looks lik= e an unpleasant/unsolvable problem, which subsets may be worth considering