From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andreas_R=c3=b6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs 25.0.04: Feature Request: Make called-interactively-p's argument optional Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 20:36:56 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83mvm2vglx.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467570762 1005 80.91.229.3 (3 Jul 2016 18:32:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 18:32:42 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 03 20:32:33 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bJmC0-0004MI-Rc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 20:32:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43699 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJmC0-0002JZ-5C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 14:32:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56120) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJmBs-0002JC-UU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 14:32:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJmBo-0005z3-Nh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 14:32:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.133]:63065) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJmBo-0005yX-Cq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 14:32:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.35] ([77.12.28.24]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue005) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M0N4b-1ba4BO3qfd-00uYio for ; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 20:32:18 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.1.0 In-Reply-To: <83mvm2vglx.fsf@gnu.org> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:4NDD/rzSzg29F75bCPdUcJF/prwpY6WvXFz55TLWl3Y/52JIgFm JY2F6twI14F2imYwlyLKsb93Pu4OnNL2soI3PYQ7U3sJtzG2Aqb9h8eMoLIGN4fNGt2bgLw pB9zQDd2Aw1E8DGL0tG4w195hxtmjeLU1gY0UbeY1lYGV8mqv1BYV7xwMNrXcaIk+lXAxBC 7wu5EgG4CvkKOTql8hE7g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:g92+DSwM7ns=:lzdmkp4tWaFqfQm+mMnJ67 5SuHai2GG8uYy9xau3NBEogd1Nqmn4BU+vpz3aQ0FvC7KEoAuIylxMhEsO7Vmn3zMFi7liMs3 bq7yqLS/ylWNKjhv/abkplM1XQWv+Wwdn5GesnPf7rNPuoCmQjvD0Kz6SMKBYAqU0kvthphFI rvwJ4HyePVj+z7wXbLlUEYi9q3IjPYBUTqCjCIRXQ6FDHwsMGUwAy3lRX9QdFtb3w70NELnpC dUYqML5wHZqcrutlyINWZhg+WBJWlR0fqvluPJJ3NeBHmqmfP9ZJ33jn39gjmiXjxnZ1TAWTp m20uZBzgTibnN8RSDKyCZ3RzCrdP8IEneKbns2FtrJFSc5onhcU1wUnhYcKxnyLq0xXBYFO6T ZDt1j5t9ddUEZaRhqcwznQeQsRX1q9YdSxT35ePRZauw/diCZk979KES/PHXvz7ww8Saosfvo qqvn9bywvKA4+xXQBzGJr3IuU3A1h2O3IOf62r8h5RNXx3x4wGQaclqebHzRJUJfifY9xyRXz Q4x1/3PM9yeyhp3TnwEbPS6HVcxOz1hOF9IQic08MPD/K4et76fQK6II6umg0IYU0m+a6hShc PMPX/ohACS/YSW8WGzHjAX/yATEwldgy83h8bkqZXFxmNJbeRpI6Mi6WAGxv7oXOs5pc63dfN K6JDp5HwW2OHwun5RbvGRuNrxMSHZ85qenOxKeuNnEuwl5NFHSRE12OdSc+ZTntFGFRt/KuIS 2c+IT1Ac/SFkjrwg X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.126.133 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205115 Archived-At: On 30.06.2016 17:30, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Robert Weiner >> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 10:25:26 -0400 >> Cc: Richard Stallman , emacs-devel >> >> It would be nice if John and Eli could just make some final decision >> on the interactive-p issue and then put that one to rest, whatever it >> is. > I have no opinion on the subject, except the general principle that we > shouldn't back up on past decisions unless they are truly disastrous, They are. This is another example from a couple of issues which went wrong last years. Code was made swollen up and complicated, simple solutions rejected. BTW a characteristic design-flaw beyond mentioned last days is around use-region-p. With use-empty-active-region or region-active-p it hardly comes to an end.