From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16491: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `defadvice' doc removed from Elisp manual Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 22:45:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1390113981 3731 80.91.229.3 (19 Jan 2014 06:46:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 06:46:21 +0000 (UTC) To: 16491@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 19 07:46:27 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W4m9K-0001zy-6T for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 07:46:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45327 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4m9J-0001VO-QN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 01:46:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52924) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4m97-0001UP-05 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 01:46:23 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4m8w-0004Pd-SC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 01:46:12 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:42527) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4m8w-0004Oy-Og for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 01:46:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W4m8v-0004Oq-Vv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 01:46:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 06:46:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 16491 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.139011395116887 (code B ref -1); Sun, 19 Jan 2014 06:46:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jan 2014 06:45:51 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56546 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W4m8k-0004OH-BM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 01:45:50 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51160) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W4m8g-0004O6-5Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 01:45:47 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4m8V-000483-Sx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 01:45:45 -0500 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:57421) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4m8V-00047z-Q5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 01:45:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52852) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4m8N-0001Rs-64 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 01:45:35 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4m89-000456-Bz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 01:45:26 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:43248) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4m89-00044y-4i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 01:45:13 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s0J6jBYu025796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 06:45:12 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s0J6jA74016188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 06:45:11 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s0J6jAcl020244 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 06:45:10 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:83708 Archived-At: Elisp manual node `Advising Emacs Lisp Functions' has been rewritten to include the new `add-function' stuff. It is fine to document that new feature. What's not fine is to simply remove all of the doc about the traditional `defadvice' advice system. Even if that feature is to be deprecated, its doc should remain until it is desupported. If this removal is not a temporary oversight (mistake) then it is quite misguided. It hurts Emacs users. The Elisp manual should continue to be usable to help users code `defadvice' advice, in addition to `add-function' advice. As one use case, some users will use Emacs 24.4 to write or maintain code for older or multiple Emacs versions. Normally there is a reasonably long transition period before a feature, especially a major feature such as `defadvice', is desupported. And until desupport, the deprecated feature remains SUPPORTED - in particular, by continuing to provide users with its reference doc. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-01-17 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 116059 michael.albinus@gmx.de-20140117182409-gz695p2c951idlee Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/binary --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib CPPFLAGS=3D-Ic:/Devel/emacs/include'