From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: PierGianLuca Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: vterm and Meta? Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 19:09:41 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83089d3fe2e4d5cf3369d7831a88877002a21557.camel@adminart.net> <85451979-85a8-033d-6148-18f5394edac7@gmail.com> <84a152e2-2332-9a18-3bd6-51b08ea4e6a1@gmail.com> <9bbba997e4ded0552c46f92797861b40c8138ead.camel@adminart.net> <87y1irewno.fsf@gmail.com> <576ece1610b9829380ad56115f84190ce745b360.camel@adminart.net> <87h6pfep4g.fsf@gmail.com> <241cabe670ad8397f0ceb6643092e0c0c71c58f1.camel@adminart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20363"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.14.0 To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 06 19:10:40 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qShH5-00056N-PS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 06 Aug 2023 19:10:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qShGI-00022U-VB; Sun, 06 Aug 2023 13:09:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qShGH-00022K-61 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Aug 2023 13:09:49 -0400 Original-Received: from manu28.manufrog.com ([138.128.182.226]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qShGE-0000j1-UW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Aug 2023 13:09:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=magnaspesmeretrix.org; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: In-Reply-To:From:References:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Sender: Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=sh3bqZYaamvm8/JRtIwiMRg1mxCMiecgQ83Vr1PFbFE=; b=vvFq1gDHRSuY4jL+4kROpiojeF w5dqCyAaa14lK/yu76B8EQQiOOmoBGkUZ/LcaD6aVgXuK2vU5XaewnVlYfBS4mZADztX8RdXlo+2y 93yhejVTPnjIpjREWFkXJokPf; Original-Received: from [89.238.178.234] (port=56938 helo=[10.13.46.109]) by manu28.manufrog.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1qShGC-0001pj-2n for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Aug 2023 19:09:45 +0200 Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - manu28.manufrog.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - magnaspesmeretrix.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: manu28.manufrog.com: authenticated_id: luca@magnaspesmeretrix.org X-Authenticated-Sender: manu28.manufrog.com: luca@magnaspesmeretrix.org Received-SPF: pass client-ip=138.128.182.226; envelope-from=luca@magnaspesmeretrix.org; helo=manu28.manufrog.com X-Spam_score_int: -59 X-Spam_score: -6.0 X-Spam_bar: ------ X-Spam_report: (-6.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-4.139, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:144648 Archived-At: Hi hw, > Some people must have a really weird understanding of "deeper level". I'm absolutely not knowledgeable about this kind of things, so I've probably chosen inappropriate terms, don't take me too literally. The solution I proposed is just a make-do solution. On Ubuntu+KDE and X11 it doesn't seem to have much of an overhead; at least it's at the bottom of CPU usage in system monitor. "Must be tremendous" doesn't mean "is tremendous". I completely agree that the situation with keyboard customization (and also locale customization) is completely messed up in Ubuntu and Kubuntu (don't know about other distros or desktop environments). This (and locale) was one, maybe the only one, kind of customization that was much easier on Windows than on Ubuntu. I'm used to a key configuration similar to that described by Eli (or maybe I remember incorrectly?), with Ctrl closer to space, then Alt, then the 3rd-level/diacritics key, and CapsLock as "Super". It was a nightmare to set it up on Ubuntu. I tried to modify the xkb configuration files in all kinds of ways, but and after several days of trials and searches it became clear that in fact it couldn't be done at all. The only thing that can be easily changed are ordinary letters (for example making letters with diacritics available under non-standard places, say "å" under the "l" key or similar). If I remember correctly there were several online guides and blogs that made it clear that customizations involving "special" keys are quite complicated. So I turned to make-do solutions: first with AutoKey, but that did have quite an overhead. Then Xremap, which has been great for me. Cheers, Luca