From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mark Crispin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: line-move-visual Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:53:26 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87pr07qjio.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <878w6vq7ew.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <871vcmhq79.fsf@wivenhoe.ul.ie> <580d5f23-e251-483f-9752-7e77b1ca2fb7@40g2000pry.googlegroups.com> <2a7dc148-e2cc-4681-9d8c-ccd1140aa6d7@j36g2000prj.googlegroups.com> <089883ee-0a63-4cb4-a0ec-d2fe4e71cc03@y18g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <87wruco5yq.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <4C0C466E.3000803@thadlabs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291943937 1532 80.91.229.12 (10 Dec 2010 01:18:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 01:18:57 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 10 02:18:53 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQrdN-0005N3-Ea for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 02:18:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51171 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQrdM-0000yt-Jy for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 20:18:52 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news1.google.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.posted.isomediainc!news.posted.isomediainc.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 21:53:27 -0500 Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs,comp.lang.lisp In-Reply-To: <4C0C466E.3000803@thadlabs.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (OSX 1167 2008-08-23) Original-Lines: 27 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.124.149.116 Original-X-Trace: sv3-vPC4yM5eBY4WUtC1+twCnEnhu8PiOizN8e0Is7XWmgaqb6miVftfE1T9JK6yeXsW6BG9UuGLazRVIsJ!ZW8/d8oXEddtAv9JeGf9MCCCdH/4h4gjkuRD6R7UqdxlEzxxIGSWUgotuGsLhdKjqb06q5iFp6ck!MUm7gwerakqXP8tm+N+mzMv3TDDxhgw= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:178696 comp.emacs:99936 comp.lang.lisp:288759 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 20:09:15 -0500 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:77119 Archived-At: On Sun, 6 Jun 2010, Thad Floryan posted: > This is OT so I'll keep it short. Similar braindamage recently with > Fedora where a developer stated "I don't particularly care how UNIX > has always worked." Wow. I've dealt with broken "improvements" in RedHat/Fedora before; they don't seem to have a very good review process for functionality changes. The two that I remember the most are making flock() return ENOLCK for an NFS file (instead of no-op) and getaddrinfo() doing a reverse DNS lookup for the ai_canonname return value. In both cases, the developer insisted that the change was a "fix", never mind all the applications that were broken by it. Eventually, both of these changes were reverted after a huge hue and cry. This one takes the cake. I don't know which amazes me more, the fact that such an ill-conceived change was made in the first place, or the developer's reaction when called to account. -- Mark -- http://panda.com/mrc Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.