From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mark Crispin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: line-move-visual Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:52:38 -0700 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291944118 2167 80.91.229.12 (10 Dec 2010 01:21:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 01:21:58 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 10 02:21:54 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQrgI-0006WX-28 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 02:21:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46421 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQrgH-0002aT-CS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 20:21:53 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news1.google.com!news2.google.com!npeer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!novia!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.posted.isomediainc!news.posted.isomediainc.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 12:52:40 -0500 Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (OSX 1167 2008-08-23) Original-Lines: 54 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.124.149.116 Original-X-Trace: sv3-j2Q40zA9GyGvlik9S0P2eUXa96cehNzIyWazdZ0FzA7zacmFqRv4RMqWeWV5kLxNGtuNWXoSzVtlxsI!GxOIOZIWRC8fcaTPlvUu7UMIn4T8o2/ngHIDnr670+ExifdwBmukQ109VxIfucTybrl92VKe2YcC!80F2tUZjFr9pF+ulVQE54yvYDaw53TA= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:178642 comp.emacs:99902 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 20:09:13 -0500 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:77123 Archived-At: On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, Uday S Reddy posted: > Having used Emacs for some 30 years myself, I always expect a few surprises > with a new major version of Emacs. Why should users expect surprises? > It takes me a few months to read through > all the change logs and the new manual sections to become comfortable with > all the new and changed features. Why should users - who presumably have work to do - be obliged to do this? > Sometimes when there are significant new > features, the old version just stays, because several users are uncomfortable > with the new version. The good thing about free software is that you can do > that! Until there is some support issue with the old version, such as a major security bug, and the software developers refuse to fix it - "update that ancient version you stupid idiot." > Reading through the emacs-developers list yesterday, It's nice that you have time to do that. > I also discovered that > there is an Options -> Customize -> New Options menu I turned off that stupid menu years ago. I need every screen line. I want to use emacs, not MS Word. > As I said before, the line-move-visual setting has been a complex decision > for the developers. And they screwed it up. This is getting ridiculous. My .emacs file is getting bigger and bigger, not to do any customizations but rather [1] to restore behaviors that some arrogant and irresponsible software developer decided to change; and [2] so that emacs on the dozens of machines I routinely use works the same on each and every one of them for the very basic command set that I use. It does no good whatsoever to tell me that I should get used to the change. Other machines don't have that change. Some are still in emacs 18. Others are bleeding edge. I should not have to customize emacs so that CTRL/A, CTRL/E, CTRL/N, and CTRL/P continue to work the way they've done since the mid-1970s. -- Mark -- http://panda.com/mrc Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.