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From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Recentish C-s M-y change
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2021 09:15:05 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.22.394.2101010955160453.28161@sdf.lonestar.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1kvEkz-0008HT-LO@fencepost.gnu.org>


>> I don't understand your difficulty here.  RET (or C-m) has been bound 
>> to isearch-exit since Emacs 21 at least;
>
> Yes, and in all that time it has not worked its way into what I recall 
> when I need to exit a search.  It never became natural.  I have to dig 
> around to remember this.
>

I just searched in the trunk history, and apparently C-m/RET, C-y and C-w 
already had their current meaning in 1992.

>> why do you need to use another more complex command like C-f C-b to do 
>> this?
>
> I told you why -- because exiting with RET does not occur to me in a 
> search.
>
> I almost always exit a search with a command that will execute after 
> exiting.
>

May I respectfully suggest you to add the following to your .emacs?

(define-key isearch-mode-map (kbd "C-f") '(lambda () (interactive) (message "Use C-m or RET to exit isearch")))
(define-key isearch-mode-map (kbd "C-b") '(lambda () (interactive) (message "Use C-m or RET to exit isearch")))

I did this when I wanted to unlearn to use the arrow keys to move around, 
that is, to force myself to learn to use C-f/b/n/p.  It's annoying during 
a day or two, but it's the best way I found to enter something into my 
"muscle memory".

>
> It is no surprise to me that I don't remember WHEN various keys were 
> changed from the default meaning, of "exit the search and execute". 
> There have been so many that I don't remember what they all are.
>

In isearch-mode-map at least, the number of changes on control keys during 
the last twenty years or so is very small: C-u (to allow arguments to 
subcommands), C-h (to enable help on the isearch-mode-map keys) and C-x 
(to allow C-x 8 RET).



  reply	other threads:[~2021-01-01  9:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-28  1:09 Recentish C-s M-y change Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-28  8:45 ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-28 17:19   ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-28 17:30   ` Filipp Gunbin
2020-12-28 17:50     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-12-29  6:05       ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-29  0:46   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-29  9:34     ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-29 17:25       ` Drew Adams
2020-12-30  4:57         ` Jean Louis
2020-12-30  5:26         ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-31 15:28           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-01  7:21             ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-01  9:15               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions. [this message]
2021-01-02  5:35                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-02  9:03                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-02  9:27                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-02 11:55                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-03  5:58                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-04  0:04                           ` Drew Adams
2021-01-05  6:28                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-05 16:30                               ` Drew Adams
2021-01-06  5:14                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-06  9:41                                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-08  6:17                                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-04  9:23                           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-05  6:44                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-06  0:13                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-07  7:39                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-01 19:12               ` Drew Adams
2020-12-29 18:35       ` Filipp Gunbin
2020-12-29 19:20         ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-30  2:45           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-30  5:08           ` Jean Louis
2020-12-30  9:32             ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-30 10:08               ` Andreas Röhler
2020-12-30 11:13               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-30 15:12                 ` Filipp Gunbin
2020-12-31 15:18                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-31 17:09                     ` Filipp Gunbin
2020-12-31 19:09                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-04 17:50                         ` Juri Linkov
2021-01-04 18:22                           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-13 18:19                             ` Juri Linkov
2021-01-13 19:34                               ` Filipp Gunbin
2021-01-14  8:44                                 ` Juri Linkov
2021-01-14 15:34                                   ` Filipp Gunbin
2021-01-27 22:01                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-01-28  8:58                                 ` Juri Linkov
2021-01-30  5:54                                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-30 10:12                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-02  5:36                                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-30 10:42                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-01-30 18:37                                     ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-31  5:54                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-31 15:29                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-01  7:21                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-01  8:02                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-02  5:28                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-02  7:09                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-30 15:08               ` Filipp Gunbin
2020-12-30 17:32               ` Drew Adams
2020-12-31  5:54               ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-31 10:44                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-12-31 11:18                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-31 11:29                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-01 10:53                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-01 11:14                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-01 12:14                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-01 12:41                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-12-31 14:30                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-31 15:42                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-12-31 16:41                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-01  7:20                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-31 15:48                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-12-31 15:29                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-30 15:05           ` Filipp Gunbin
2020-12-30  5:04         ` Jean Louis
2020-12-29  6:01   ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-29  6:14     ` Drew Adams
2020-12-30  9:33     ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-31  5:54       ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-29  5:56 ` Richard Stallman
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2020-12-31 16:54                   ` Drew Adams
2020-12-31 17:18                     ` Filipp Gunbin
2021-01-01 11:14                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-01 12:13                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-02  5:34                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-02  7:15                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-03  6:01                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-03 15:05                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-04  5:17                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-04 15:03                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-04 17:44                                     ` Juri Linkov
2021-01-04 18:20                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-04 18:22                                       ` Drew Adams
2021-01-03  6:01                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-03 15:09                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-01 22:47                       ` chad
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2021-01-01 19:10                         ` Drew Adams

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