From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Emacs as a word processor Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 18:22:00 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: Gregory Heytings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-212064758-1288547475-1608660767=:26114" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17585"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (NEB 394 2020-01-19) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Daniel_Mart=EDn?= , Eli Zaretskii , Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 22 19:22:48 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1krmJ6-0004Uj-Jx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 19:22:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52448 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krmJ5-00039N-Mz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 13:22:47 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47086) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krmIX-0002ie-Bf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 13:22:13 -0500 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:62774) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krmIU-0007wj-Tf; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 13:22:13 -0500 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:ghe@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 0BMIM3je007396 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Tue, 22 Dec 2020 18:22:04 GMT Original-Received: (from ghe@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 0BMIMi0x017852; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 18:22:44 GMT Content-ID: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=ghe@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261520 Archived-At: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---212064758-1288547475-1608660767=:26114 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: Daniel Mart=EDn: >>> I've been trying for more than 10 years to urge people to work toward= =20 >>> giving Emacs the document capabilities of a word processor, but I have= =20 >>> not convinced people to do this work. >> >> What do you mean by this? I'm probably biased, but I don't see what=20 >> important "capability of a word processor" is lacking in Emacs. > > Something that works like LibreOffice, where you can write a document,=20 > select parts of it, mark them in bold, justify them, etc. All of that=20 > while you see the results in a WYSIWYG fashion. The closest thing there= =20 > is now is enriched-mode, but that mode does not offer the same level of= =20 > features as LibreOffice. >=20 > There is more context about this potential new feature in /etc/TODO=20 > under the section "Emacs as a word processor". > Eli Zaretskii: > The WYSIWYG part is missing. See the etc/TODO entry about that for a=20 > pointer to a discussion about this. > Yes, I know about that entry in etc/TODO, in which RMS expresses the same= =20 wish. I've read the discussion again, and it's still not clear at all to= =20 me what features are really missing. I'm not sure characterizing them=20 under the acronym WYSIWYG or referring to LibreOffice is more precise. My impression (but I could very well be wrong) is that what RMS would like= =20 to have is not a truly WYSIWYG word processor that would compete with=20 LibreOffice, but something simpler. And that a detailed list of features= =20 would make that TODO entry more concrete. Hence my question. An attempt to list features a user could expect from a word processor : [ ] import / export Microsoft Word files [ ] import / export Open Document Format (.odt) files [ ] import / export RTF files [ ] export to a PDF file [ ] select a font and its size [ ] apply a bold / italic / underline / strikethrough effect [ ] superscripts / subscripts [ ] apply a left / center / right / justified effect [ ] change the font color and the background color [ ] create a list [ ] insert and change a table [ ] insert a picture [ ] define / use / modify styles [ ] print preview / print [ ] use footnotes [ ] multiple columns [ ] change page headers and footers ---212064758-1288547475-1608660767=:26114--