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From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, spacibba@aol.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
	andreyk.mad@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Support "\n" in icomplete-separator
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 10:24:21 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.22.394.2011161033590453.9789@sdf.lonestar.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83r1oxwehu.fsf@gnu.org>


>>> No, I mean what would happen if we displayed a menu simulation by 
>>> showing menu items one below the other in a buffer, instead of using 
>>> the toolkit menus, or even instead of the TTY menus we have nowadays.
>>
>> Okay, now I see what you mean.  Indeed doing this for menus would not 
>> make sense / would be ugly.  But of course the essential difference 
>> here is that menus are not meant to be used with a keyboard
>
> Actually, menus (even GUI toolkit menus) work with the keyboard very 
> well.  Including in Emacs.  It's true that interaction with GUI widgets, 
> including the vertical lists, quite naturally is biased towards pointing 
> devices, but it is not limited to them.
>
> The important difference, at least for the purposes of this discussion, 
> is what menus look like, not how users interact with them.
>

What I said was probably not clear enough.

My argument is the following: as you said, GUI widgets such as menus and 
vertical list widgets are "biased towards pointing devices".

Therefore GUI widgets such as menus and vertical list widgets should not 
be used where the primary interaction device is the keyboard.

Therefore vertical list widgets should not be used to display completion 
candidates in the minibuffer, where the primary interaction device is the 
keyboard.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-11-16 10:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-05 23:10 [PATCH] Support "\n" in icomplete-separator Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-05 23:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-06  0:04   ` Ergus
2020-11-06  2:44     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-06  8:42     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-06 10:26   ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-05 23:57 ` Ergus
2020-11-06  8:43   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-06 12:36   ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-06 15:15     ` Ergus
2020-11-08 20:14       ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-08 20:30         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-08 20:36           ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-09  3:28         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-09 21:04           ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10 15:13             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-10 17:18               ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10 18:18                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11  9:41                   ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10 18:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-10 19:17                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-10 19:27                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-10 20:00                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-10 21:09                   ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-11  8:27                     ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11  9:07                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 15:57                         ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11  9:38                       ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-11 10:01                         ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 10:21                           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 10:53                             ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 11:22                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 15:49                                 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 15:57                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 16:16                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 17:06                                     ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 17:28                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 16:05                                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 17:06                                     ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 17:26                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-11 17:37                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 15:32                             ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 15:26                           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 16:06                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 17:12                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 17:19                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-11-11 17:44                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 17:50                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-11-11 18:14                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 18:09                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 18:39                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 20:21                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 20:37                                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 21:55                                       ` Ergus
2020-11-11 22:26                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 22:59                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-12  3:28                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12  8:50                                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12  9:13                                           ` on helm substantial differences - " Jean Louis
2020-11-12  9:20                                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 10:25                                               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-12 10:54                                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 11:33                                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-12 14:40                                                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 17:46                                                       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-12 14:41                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 17:49                                               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-12 17:58                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 14:36                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 15:05                                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 15:36                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 16:10                                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 17:50                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 12:40                                                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-13 12:59                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 13:36                                                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-13 13:52                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 15:09                                                             ` Stephen Berman
2020-11-13 16:05                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 17:31                                                                 ` Stephen Berman
2020-11-16 10:24                                                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions. [this message]
2020-11-16 17:44                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-17 11:51                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12  7:58                                     ` martin rudalics
2020-11-12  8:52                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 14:37                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 12:39                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-11-12 19:31                                         ` Howard Melman
2020-11-12 20:02                                           ` ivy-posframe review - " Jean Louis
2020-11-11 14:09                         ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 15:51                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 16:05                             ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 18:52                       ` Drew Adams
2020-11-11 19:10                         ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 19:49                           ` Drew Adams
2020-11-12  7:58                             ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 19:51                           ` Drew Adams
2020-11-11 16:30                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 22:51                       ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-13  8:39                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 12:56                           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-13 13:02                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 13:44                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-13 13:55                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-16 10:25                                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-16 17:40                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-16 17:41                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-16 18:24                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-17 11:51                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-17 14:05                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-13 19:27                             ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-17  8:59                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-13 20:18                           ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-14  6:17                             ` Ergus
2020-11-14 20:36                               ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-15  2:39                                 ` Ergus
2020-11-15 19:32                                   ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10 20:01                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-06  5:52 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-06 12:40   ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-06 12:59     ` Jean Louis
2020-11-08 20:28       ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-08 20:50         ` Jean Louis
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2020-11-06 16:30 Drew Adams
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2020-11-11 19:03                             ` Drew Adams
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2020-11-12 17:42                                                 ` Drew Adams

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