From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: on helm substantial differences - Re: [PATCH] Support "\n" in icomplete-separator Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 14:40:16 +0000 Message-ID: References: <83361f22ah.fsf@gnu.org> <83sg9fzlto.fsf@gnu.org> <83r1ozz22j.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Gregory Heytings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24316"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (NEB 394 2020-01-19) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rudalics@gmx.at, spacibba@aol.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, andreyk.mad@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 12 15:41:21 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kdDmq-00069s-Mv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 15:41:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60172 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kdDmp-0001CN-II for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 09:41:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39358) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kdDm4-0000E2-PZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 09:40:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:49387) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kdDm2-0003eG-Li; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 09:40:32 -0500 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:ghe@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 0ACEeJNl024247 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Thu, 12 Nov 2020 14:40:19 GMT Original-Received: (from ghe@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 0ACEemKU009919; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 14:40:48 GMT In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=ghe@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/11/12 09:40:28 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:259080 Archived-At: > > Compare that to following picture: > 03-ivy-disturbes-all-screen-by-default.png when I use default ivy-mode: > > - minibuffer expands disturbing all the screen > > - bottom split window is shown but is useless. If it is to be disturbed > then don't show it to me at all. I think but I may be wrong, that > icomplete works this way last time I tested it. > > - minibuffer is not any more there! How should I teach my stuff that > they have certain control with minibuffer which is normally at bottom. I > teach my staff by sending them Tutorial to do and info files to read. > > - It did expand but it expands too much. It disturbs even the initial > condition of how windows were split. So it is minimizing my top window > for the sake of completion. Do I really want that? No. All these > commentaries are not to make anybody bad, they are for thinking and > observations when designing these completions. > These problems are orthogonal to the way completion candidates are displayed. Given what you write, I'd suggest you to try to use ivy-posframe or emacs-mini-frame or emacs-maple-minibuffer, with which the existing windows are not "disturbed".