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From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Suggest installing more fonts?
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 19:42:29 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.22.394.2010162113400453.13163@sdf.lonestar.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvh7qut3u6.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

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>> I think, over the years, the most common question users have that has 
>> an easy-to-fix solution is: "Why is Emacs displaying boxes for some of 
>> these characters I'm seeing?"  The solution is "install some more 
>> fonts", of course.
>
> [ FWIW, I don't think replacing those tofu chars with some "ugly 
> default" is a good option: it's more work with very little benefit if 
> any, since the problem still remains largely unchanged. ]
>

FWIW, I do not agree with this.  It is much better from a end-user 
viewpoint to see something they can decypher, even if it has a non-optimal 
rendering, than to see a hex code in a box.  For example, I use the DejaVu 
Sans font.  I just checked, and among the twelve "smiling face" emojis, 
three are missing, for example "smiling face with smiling eyes and three 
hearts".  I would find it much better to have Emacs displaying the 
attached bitmap (taken from the Unicode font) instead of a box with 
"01F970" (for the default value of glyphless-char-display).  At least I 
see what the character is.

[I know that an experienced user can do M-x describe-char or C-u C-x =, or 
(setq what-cursor-show-names t) and type C-x =.  But that's for 
experienced users, and in any case much less user-friendly than a bitmap.]

>
> - Does the problem only affect Emacs and not other applications? If so 
> why?  If not, then what do other applications do about it?
>

This problem affects all applications.  If happens whenever an application 
tries to display a character for which the font in use has no glyph. 
What they do varies, most display a question mark in a box, or an empty 
box.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-10-16 19:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-16 10:54 Suggest installing more fonts? Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-16 11:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-16 11:30   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-16 12:50     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-16 12:59       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-16 13:13         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-16 14:38           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-16 15:48             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-16 16:09               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-16 18:48                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-16 19:40                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-17  6:57                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 13:49                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-17 14:08                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 15:04                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-17 15:18                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-16 13:24     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-16 14:08       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-16 15:34         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-16 15:51           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-16 13:24   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-16 13:30     ` Rudolf Schlatte
2020-10-17  6:14       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-16 14:41     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17  6:23       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-17  8:55         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-18  8:03           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-18 15:21             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-19  8:31               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-19 14:50                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-20 10:28                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-20 14:31                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-21 10:46                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-21 11:31                         ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-21 11:58                           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-10-21 14:54                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-21 16:03                             ` tofu-help-mode (was: Suggest installing more fonts?) Stefan Monnier
2020-10-22 12:07                               ` tofu-help-mode Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-22 15:21                                 ` tofu-help-mode Stefan Monnier
2020-10-23 10:46                                   ` tofu-help-mode Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-21 17:46                             ` Suggest installing more fonts? Michael Albinus
2020-10-21 18:14                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-22  7:27                                 ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-22 13:09                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-23 16:53                                     ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-23 18:13                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-25 11:47                                         ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-25 15:19                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-21 17:25                           ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-21 11:59                         ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-10-21 12:05                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-21 12:31                             ` Stephen Berman
2020-10-21 14:47                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-21 20:19                           ` Rasmus
2020-10-22  2:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-22 12:34                               ` Rasmus
2020-10-22 13:35                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-21 20:19                           ` Rasmus
2020-10-22 11:32                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-22 12:02                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-22 12:08                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-22 12:29                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-22 13:31                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-23  3:49                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-23  6:59                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-23  8:28                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2020-10-23 11:01                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-23 15:50                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2020-10-23 16:38                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-23 18:03                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-23 18:43                                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-23 19:31                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-24  9:35                                                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-23 10:45                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-23 11:07                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-23 14:59                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-23 17:56                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-23 18:13                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-23 18:23                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-23 18:36                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-23 18:18                                           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-22 13:16                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-22 13:40                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-22 13:52                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-22 14:20                                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-22 15:50                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-16 18:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-16 19:13   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-16 19:37     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-17  6:37       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 13:44         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-16 19:42   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions. [this message]
2020-10-16 19:49     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-16 22:14       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-16 22:35         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-16 23:02           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-17  7:46             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 11:21               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-17 12:13                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 13:09                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-17 13:33                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 16:09                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-17 16:30                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 17:37                           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-17 17:58                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 18:36                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-17 18:50                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 18:56                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 19:18                                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-17 19:33                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-18  8:06                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-18 14:55                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 17:30                 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-18  4:12             ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18 14:45               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-20 22:46       ` Stephen Leake
2020-10-17  6:31   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-17  9:08     ` Eli Zaretskii

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