From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A modern-mode? Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 08:58:11 +0000 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Gregory Heytings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8803"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (NEB 394 2020-01-19) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Andrea Corallo Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 16 10:59:01 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kITHI-00027O-1V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 10:59:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37642 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kITHH-0006kj-4J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 04:58:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38664) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kITGf-0006KT-Ft for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 04:58:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:56544) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kITGd-0001LR-3M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 04:58:21 -0400 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:ghe@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 08G8wDl3027543 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Wed, 16 Sep 2020 08:58:14 GMT Original-Received: (from ghe@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 08G8wR6x015577; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 08:58:27 GMT In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=ghe@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/16 03:27:11 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255841 Archived-At: >> I see what you mean, but I do not see how this would help newcomers. > > I think one easily accessible ready to go set of more modern/friendly > defaults can help new users getting started. > The problem is that Emacs developers would have to agree on what that set of "more modern / friendly defaults" is, which is unlikely to happen. Again, different people have (very!) different ideas of what "modern / friendly" is. A few examples, in the defaults you suggested: - fido-mode: in another thread Eli explained that in his opinion icomplete's behavior is not intuitive enough for newcomers, and I (and probably others) agree with what he said - global-auto-revert-mode: I would strongly object to this, having your editor doing something without asking you for a confirmation is not something many newcomers would find intuitive - winner-mode: I don't understand why you would turn this on, IMO having C-c and C-c to undo window changes is useless for a newcomer, and C-c / is not a keybinding they can guess by themselves.