From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: A modern-mode? Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 17:11:05 +0000 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Gregory Heytings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26827"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (NEB 394 2020-01-19) Cc: Andrea Corallo , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 15 19:35:01 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kIEr6-0006l6-Ho for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 19:35:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40434 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIEr5-0003Yd-K8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 13:34:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44330) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIEWz-00005r-KJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 13:14:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:54119) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIEU5-0002Xe-JR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 13:11:15 -0400 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:ghe@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 08FHB8Et019549 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Tue, 15 Sep 2020 17:11:08 GMT Original-Received: (from ghe@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 08FHBK15009525; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 17:11:20 GMT In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=ghe@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/15 12:47:44 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255774 Archived-At: >> I'm biased, but I do not think this is better than the guided tour / >> interactive guide proposal that Yuan Fu and me sent a few days ago. > >> Moreover the guided tour proposal introduces the most important >> concepts of Emacs, and explains how to find help, which I believe is >> very important if the point is the help people getting (and staying!) >> into the Emacs universe. > > A tour is different from a button to get a set of features. > Did you have a look at the proposal? I realize that there has been so much traffic here that you may have missed it. It combines the two aspects: buttons to set a number of features that newcomers might want to turn on, and explanations to guide their first steps. Your feedback would be most welcome.