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From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Opaque objects and Emacs documentation
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 11:53:22 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.21.2007171257230394.31729@sdf.lonestar.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6edffb7d-7708-534f-93ad-bf9180f5e0ed@yandex.ru>


>
>> Which I think is against long-time Emacs tradition for documenting its 
>> interfaces, and by that facilitating extensibility.  It is IMO wrong to 
>> fill Emacs application levels with opaque objects which cannot be 
>> usefully described; they should be a rare exception, but definitely not 
>> the rule.
>
> The problem here is that even if you document a particular value, it's 
> _not useful_. It doesn't show you what you can or should do with it.
>
> The main thing thing the user can do with that value is misuse it, by 
> relying on its shape in the client code.
>

IMO the main goal of writing Emacs documentation (and software 
documentation in general) is not to help its users, but to help all those 
who in the future, when you will have moved to something else, will work 
on the code you wrote.  For them it is definitely very useful to 
understand the implementation choices you made, the internal 
representations you chose to use, and so forth.  In fact, such a 
documentation is probably also useful for yourself, if you leave your code 
temporarily, and come back to it after a while.

Gregory



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-07-17 11:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2020-07-12 20:07   ` master 0339325: ; * lisp/progmodes/project.el (project-current): Doc fix Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-13  3:48     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-13 11:09       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-13 13:21         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-13 14:14           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-16 22:40           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17  6:56             ` Opaque objects and Emacs documentation Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-17  8:13               ` tomas
2020-07-17 10:40                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 15:38                   ` tomas
2020-07-17 10:37               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-07-17 10:46                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 10:53                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-07-17 10:53               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 11:14                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-17 12:02                   ` Noam Postavsky
2020-07-17 12:52                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-17 13:09                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 13:56                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-17 14:35                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 14:59                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-17 15:03                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-18  1:54                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-18 19:17                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-19  2:27                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-19 14:48                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-21 19:00                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 19:36                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-21 20:56                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 21:06                                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-07-21 20:49                                     ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-07-21 20:59                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 21:20                                         ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-07-21 21:25                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 19:08                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 19:38                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-21 21:02                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 20:29                                     ` John Yates
2020-07-22  0:45                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-22 14:08                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-19 22:02                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-20  2:44                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-21  1:09                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21  8:57                                   ` tomas
2020-07-21 10:14                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 10:29                                       ` tomas
2020-07-21 14:34                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-21 18:56                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 19:33                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-21 21:31                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-22 14:28                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-22 15:44                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-22 16:30                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-22 16:37                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 19:36                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-07-21 21:17                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 22:12                                       ` Edebug (was: Opaque objects and Emacs documentation) Stefan Monnier
2020-07-22 14:31                                       ` Opaque objects and Emacs documentation Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-22 15:33                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-22 16:22                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-22 16:26                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-23  4:04                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-23 13:42                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-22 11:43                               ` João Távora
2020-07-17 13:08                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 13:42                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 14:22                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-17 14:56                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 16:56                   ` John Yates
2020-07-17 17:13                     ` Drew Adams
2020-07-17 19:04                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-17 19:26                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 19:25                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 11:53                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions. [this message]
2020-07-17 13:13                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 14:26                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-07-17 16:58                       ` Drew Adams
2020-07-17 19:22                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 22:30                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-07-18  0:00                         ` Yuan Fu
2020-07-18  1:01                           ` Drew Adams
2020-07-18  1:55                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-17 16:48               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-23 23:24                 ` Andy Moreton
2020-07-23 23:40                   ` Andy Moreton
2020-07-24  5:32                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-24 11:23                       ` Andy Moreton
2020-07-24 11:43                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-24  0:43                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-24  1:22                     ` Andy Moreton
2020-07-24  5:47                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-25 16:33                         ` Andy Moreton
2020-07-25 16:51                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-25 20:18                             ` Andy Moreton
2020-07-26  2:27                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-26  9:16                                 ` Andy Moreton
2020-07-26 14:02                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-24 20:49                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-25 16:38                         ` Andy Moreton
2020-07-24  5:45                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-24 14:56                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-24 17:21                         ` Drew Adams
2020-07-24 17:42                           ` Eli Zaretskii
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     [not found]       ` <<3dd1c224-69b2-40af-5b2e-43a310253632@yandex.ru>
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2020-07-17 15:41               ` Drew Adams
2020-07-17 15:49                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 15:59                   ` Drew Adams

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