From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jude DaShiell Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Control-C conundrum Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 11:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: References: <20150604001736.GA1917@mail.akwebsoft.com> <20150603222121607920564@bob.proulx.com> <87sia7n1a2.wl-lists@groll.co.za> <20150606113041423449103@bob.proulx.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1433690147 18395 80.91.229.3 (7 Jun 2015 15:15:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 15:15:47 +0000 (UTC) To: Bob Proulx , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 07 17:15:38 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z1cIT-0001o2-HG for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2015 17:15:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54462 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z1cIS-0003lm-Nk for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2015 11:15:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41120) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z1cII-0003lQ-Py for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2015 11:15:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z1cIC-0006aj-1E for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2015 11:15:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mailbackend.panix.com ([166.84.1.89]:52112) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z1cIB-0006aM-SD for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2015 11:15:19 -0400 Original-Received: from panix3.panix.com (panix3.panix.com [166.84.1.3]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CAD13C0D; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 11:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by panix3.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id 9B41B2EB4D; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 11:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985BD2EB4C; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 11:15:17 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20150606113041423449103@bob.proulx.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (NEB 23 2013-08-11) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux (Android) X-Received-From: 166.84.1.89 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:104811 Archived-At: Not every computer user has two hands. Some of them were born with one or both missing. Still others did a little work for certain Governments and had one or two hands blown off. On Sat, 6 Jun 2015, Bob Proulx wrote: > Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2015 13:45:58 > From: Bob Proulx > To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Control-C conundrum > > Jonathan Groll wrote: >> No matter what keyboard you use, I've always thought that the idea is >> to always use BOTH the left and right 'modifier' keys. So, what I am >> saying is that should you want to type say 'C-p' then the left hand >> presses the left control key and the right hand presses the P key. For >> 'C-c' the right hand presses the right control key and the left hand >> presses the C key. The fingers of one hand shouldn't be 'scrunched >> up', and both hands should work in concert. >> >> Of course, if you swap control with caps-lock then there isn't a >> caps-lock key on the right hand side of the keyboard, so I'm not sure >> what folks do in that situation. > > Having typed for years on keyboards prior to the IBM PC keyboard with > the multiple control keys I could only use the left pinky for the > control key. The vt100 doesn't have a control key on the right side > for example but only one on the left. Therefore my habits were > already set by the time a right control key became available. These > days I mostly use the right control for the Compose key. > > I type relatively fast but have acquired some less than perfect habits > over the years. C-b is the example for me. The 'b' key is a left > pointing finger key. However with the left pinky on the control, > especially on the older keyboards where control was left further > outside of the capslock, that was quite a stretch! I got into the > habit of using left pinky for control and right pointing finger for > the 'b' key. That works great. Until you are on a split ergonomic > keyboard. On those with C-b my right finger usually taps into a solid > plastic spot with no key! That is my biggest worst bad habit for > typing that always shows up on a split ergo keyboard. :-/ > > All habits can be learned and unlearned with practice. I am > completely bilingual with regards to switching between emacs and vi > for example. But I never picked up the Dvorak key layout. I never > picked up using the right control or alt/meta. Some habits are deeper > and harder than others. > >> I'm a happy Kinesis Advantage keyboard user, and that keyboard >> promotes the above described usage of both sides of the keyboard. I'm >> not sure how well the Advantage will work out with a thumb injury >> though as you do use your thumbs quite a bit with it. Kinesis sell a >> three pedal foot switch that works with their keyboards. > > I have friends who use that keyboard and also seem happy with it. Two > of them use it in Dvorak key layout mode for double the benefit. > Since I am using my trusty classic ThinkPad keyboard a lot I think it > would be a hard thing for me to learn. And it is an expensive > keyboard. > > Bob > > --