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[124.147.81.104]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e13sm36292927pgf.48.2017.01.30.19.47.07 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:47:08 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: Tino Calancha X-X-Sender: calancha@calancha-pc In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:211783 Archived-At: --8323329-764228563-1485834428=:1908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 30 Jan 2017, Jordon Biondo wrote: > A while ago I brought up the inconstant signatures of `setq`, `setq-default` and `setq-local`. In short, I want `setq-local` to > have the same signature as `setq` and `setq-local`. (setq* VAR VAL VAR VAL...) > See thread: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-03/msg00448.html > > I appreciate Stefan's input back then, but I'd like to revisit the issue, get further input, and see if I can change some minds > about the issue. > > If you believe the variadic signature of `setq` and `setq-default` is not ideal, consider that backwards compatibility erases any > chance that those two functions will lose that feature, and consider the benefits of being consistently wrong over being > inconsistently right. > > Are maintainers and users still opposed to this change? If not I'd be happy to update the patch from the previous thread. Richard Stallman writes: > It is most natural for setq-local to have the same calling convention > as setq. +1 FWIW, i am in favour of naturalness too. Regards, Tino --8323329-764228563-1485834428=:1908--